I think you're wrong -- but, I'm not sure because our info is third hand.

According to the quotes of Jones from the podcast, the threshold of proof is set by their license. It doesn't sound like something they can arbitrarily set themselves.

I know it is common to have different levels of diligence and duties required by a license and also common for certain types of activity and non-activity to be classified within each.

Someone (think it was Tim Stone,) made the very good point if any non US players were privy to this info of Stinger being NH?

We must stamp out the "Russian Bot rings" (of course there aren't US bot rings!?), we must stamp out seat scripters and bum hunters, we must stamp out the Harrington's and the Eire Abu's and all the other dodgy MAers, we must stamp out Lucky Gump and all such apparent angle shooters......but whatever we do, we must turn a blind eye to the US based MAing & VPN rings (especially the HS ones, obviously!) and just accept such cheating as the natural order of things.

I mean, it's different, right?

Not even slightly surprised to read this. I have never known of any form of gambling company that doesn't have in their small print that they have the right to close any account at any time and that their decision is always final.

A player should be free to play on a poker site with his own money, as long as they are not colluding cheating. Is playing anonymous behind a screen name wrong? That's pretty much what most online players do...

Superusing is A-ok though

They should be, but they're not. Whatever.

Fraud.


I doubt any da goes for it but there could be civil claims. Most States even have specific fraud statutes for falsified identities.

what if he did vpn on stinger and got banned, then what does he do. then its justified imo. its still illiegal and wrong and i cant know what i would do because my original account is still in good standing. ive been in mexico for forever now.

i doubt anyone thought this account was a fish, anyone with half a ****ing brain. he played 10k hand sessions everyday and didnt lose at 20bb/100 so **** off if u thought u were bumhunting his games and lost more than you would.

If he didnt win 2 bracelets this wouldnt be a ****ing thread at all. Mercier outed him and it was posted in the high stakes thread which gets thousands of views everyday. Where was the thread then. There was no thread bc nobody ****ing cared.

its also rediuclous that he is getting blame for sharing hh, when ptr was open to everyone. everyone did it. brian just happened to win 4 million ****ing dollars doing it.

maybe hes just that good. maybe actionjeff is better idk its close.

And let's face it if the Noelhayes account was a huge loser but a known MA no one would have said a word about it.

This doesn't justify his actions but is hypocritical.

If the Canada relocation caused BH to move back in with his parents, can you guys imagine what this thread will do? Absolutely inconsiderate on the part of NVG to potentially stress him out so much imo

loooool, this is so perfect

At this point it's probably time to shut down all of high stakes online poker. It would be sad to lose the high stakes, but when people are literally getting flamed for outing cheaters the game is simply too ****ed up to continue. ''

I mean we actually have a SPONSORED POKERSTARS PLAYER who came into this thread getting mad at all of us for outing a cheater because we in her mind should not call out cheaters. I mean wow. gg online poker.

From Pokerstars Bio

'When she isn’t playing poker, Vanessa likes to get involved with political issues such as the fight for social justice'

Hi. I´m realandybeal on stars.
I didn´t bother to read the whole thread, and I´m thankful for the summary of the person who did the first post. Just wanted to give my 2 cents on the subject.
I had not played online for a while and got back to it earlier this year. I visited George Danzer in Salzburg and when he talked about the games being played as of late he told me that he usually plays the big mixed games mainly when they are centered around a bad player named NoelHayes. I don't recollect if I played many hands differently because of that misinformation, but I can say that I played in many lineups I wouldn't have otherwise, and I´d assume it was the same for George.
I personally feel like some sort of recompensation would be in order, as to how much I have no idea. Also on the enforcement.
Lately I´d like to add that albeit not knowing Brian personally, the way he handled that with negative publicity for the game being his main criticism on the outrage over his actions makes me laugh. Get a grip man and either bull**** right or not at all...

Hey you, stop with the 'personal attacks'...

Only they may dance - who is 'they'? :S I don't know quotes are 'weird' when they 'are' overused...'really'...'I"m' NOT being 'sarcastic'.'.'.


random tagwords that happen to be floating around (I am only an observer/messenger): hearsay, extrapolation, fundamental attribution error, hypocrisy, narcissism, static perceptual schemas, tunnel vision, selfishness

So you wouldn't call the cops on her if she slipped a drug into your drink that rendered you unconscious and you woke up next morning in a hotel room with a screwdriver up your butt?

And you wouldn't call the cops on her if she beat you into a bloody pulp and then humped you before choking you out?

Let's face it. By rape you mean rough consensual sex. Because you wouldn't protest if she tried to force herself on you which means it wouldn't be rape.

did Lee Jones really say this?



This would surely fall foul of money laundering regulations.

It's ridiculous players in the games wanting "some sort of compensation"

First of all, how does he figure out who knew it was him on the account and from what point they found out? By the sounds of things (could be wrong here) he tried to make it at least player knowledge early on it was him playing on NoelHayes.

Secondly he's almost being "punished" by giving out compensation. If he done it secretly and never told anyone it's possible he could have played another year or longer without being outed. He tried to do the next best thing (once he decided to MA) by telling people. Guys like bleznick who continue to multiaccount across different accounts for years on end and doesn't face any punishment in terms of giving compensation back to the poker players he's played with.

As I unterstand it he tried to make it only player knowledge to his "friends".

There were already a handful of high stakes players coming in here, saying they did not know and feel cheated(BERRI SWEET, Realandybeal, David Baker, and a few more I can´t remember).

Playing devil's advocate here, but I'll state the obvious hypocrisy of when a guy who is bumhunting someone in effect get's reverse bumhunted.

He played in a lot of different cash games and tournaments on the NoelHayes account. He probably played with literally hundreds of different people. I would be shocked if more than 20 of them knew who it was on the account.

Yes, when you get caught cheating, you get punished. It's funny how that works, isn't it?

It's likely he would have if he didn't get outed by Bakes.

There are a lot of different things he could have done and what he did was definitely not the "next best thing". Cheating and then telling some of your friends that you are cheating is never the "next best thing".

You are basically saying we shouldn't out cheaters because they might cheat more. In other words, you're saying we should cater to the demands of the cheaters and be thankful they aren't cheating more than they are. That is a horrible approach. The only way to fix online poker's reputation is to lynch all cheaters, including scumbags like Brian. Who can take the poker world serious if cheating has no consequences?

Oh, the good old "this other guy is cheating more than me so my cheating wasn't that bad" defense. You should try riding 70 miles/hour through a city street and then in court use the defense that some other guy was riding 100 miles/hour without getting caught. Let's see how well that defense holds up.

so to you telling your friends is like getting a "get out of the prison" pass? It's even worse if some of the players know it and some don't.

For me personally I haven't played that much w/ NH, but I def played some 2k/5k lineups, I prob wouldn't have.

I really don't get the discussion going on right now. It's cheating and of course there should be a compensation.

The argument w/ bleznick is also bull****. It's like saying: ok, well you killed a man once-->no problem. But if kill hmmmmm 10 people then you get punished

That's not playing devil's advocate, that's just being irrelevant.

This

How much stinger take off ya, Niki?

The irony is killing me.

Playing for pots of upwards to wan mirrion dollars behind a computer screen against Godknowswho while being regulated by extremely shady offshore operators has always been about as LOL as possible.