joeys opinion on this matter: Stinger Multi Accounting

I don't see it as a witch hunt. What I see is:

(a) a large group of players ranging from casual to serious players who think what Stinger did was bad, are legitimately surprised to hear that his behavior could be just the tip of the iceberg, and are trying to figure out just how big and dirty that iceberg is and;

(b) a clique of hs players who just want to come in and say, "lol, newbs, cheating iz super standard."

Group B may be correct, but it doesn't make them right, imo.

this is what i posted about originally before mods deleted it. hasting has shown such poor judgement that i feel like grabbing pitchforks and trying to destroy him is cruel. hastings can be nice but hes ******ed. we can't execute ******s

Execution/crucifixion doesn't seem like the appropriate punishment for the crime here. Somewhere between that and "lol ignore it, it happens all the time" seems about right.

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I think I get what you're saying, but, I assure you....BH is far from ******ed. You know what he is? A professional gambler, and a very smart/good one at that. Take every edge you can, online poker has certain risks, etc....that's all I'm going to say on this. Hate on, haters.

I'll admit having only watched a tiny part of the video but it seems like Joey is basically arguing that MAing has become pretty standard, that's the way it is nowadays and we have to deal with it. it's a stars issue and no longer a player issue he even says. As if both were mutually exclusive or what?

But yea we need to promote the game of poker by acknowledging MAing is just very spread and that's how it is

Chuck Bass telling it how it is.

The new school's version of old school...

Not sure I can bring myself to listen to the almighty Lee Jones chime in on this.

If that transcript is Stars first semi-official comment (god knows how Lee has this responsibility given some of the drivel he comes out with) they are obviously gonna do jack ****.

I say carry on exposing cheaters, shout as loud as possible and let star's continued inaction eventually break something in the publics mind about poker. Then everyone loses so at least we are back to an even field.

So depressing.

Who the **** is gonna spend 90 mins listening to that pretty boy scumbag?

I'm not referring to Hastings when I call it a witch hunt, I'm referencing all the sanctimonious people, clamoring about selbst for sharing a dissenting opinion and mercier for simply knowing this was happening. All the people ranting about anyone remotely related to the account should be banned, and all the other nonsense.

You're view of B is just incorrect. First it's not a clique, it's just anyone who plays reasonable stakes online. Those of us who were playing for a living when Black Friday happened, had a lot of tough decisions, and the country/site saying you just lost your job because of some random rule change, is bull****. I think VPNing is completely fine, I see nothing wrong with it. Multi accounting, is bad, but you can't live in the US while you're playing on your own account, or it'll be rather easy to catch you, then you lose access to the largest poker site in the world.

So the multi accounting is bad, but I can understand why he did it. Now this view, is one that most players who played in the US during Black Friday likely share. This is the viewpoint of group B, not "Cheating is standard", but "You have a lot of tough decisions as a US online poker player, especially when no US site runs your games."

Now group A, their viewpoint is ridiculous. That's how they should think about the botting fiasco, not this. Does VPNing or Multiaccounting give anyone an inherent advantage in poker over anyone else, outside of the high stakes? No. It's not a big deal.

Yeah I turned it off at 3min mark.
Dude needs to clearly state his position in the first minute and then talk about his opinions and experiences.
Basically, cliffs first if you want me to listen to what you have to say.

Vanessa,

Some poster referred to your crew back in 2006, just curious who was part of it? thanks.

is that chicago guy friend of any shady player?

Clearly he is not a ******, what he is tho is very good at tricking people into taking their money, by deceit. Posters say one account, but it's actually two when you add the full tilt account. Which was playing the FTOPS series back in March from what it shows's on top shark pro. Which only leads me to wonder how long this has really being going on.

http://pokerprolabs.com/players/bign.../fulltiltpoker

He's basically took a big dumb on the MTT part of the community too. I wonder how he plans to pay us back on that one. If it was upto me I wouldn't even accept his stolen money back my backer will want me to take the rebate. You've rammed basically everyone that plays mid-high stakes on both stars and tilt Mr.BH. I hope you just be gracious for once and step away from the poker community, you've got money obv so go start a legit business doing something else somewhere else. Nonone seems to respond to my posts so I wont be posting again. Peace out

Why are you trying to slight the NVG posters they weren't the ones multi accounting usually the guilty are the ones who need defending its not like this is the first douchy thing BH has done also its not a witch hunt when the accused has admitted guilt soon he wont get any action and he ll have to permanantly switch to a rented account,,mark my words

So disturbing.

Basically implied admission that HS players have a greater entitlement to cheat because they're more skilled at poker.

Then goes on to call us hypocrites, and something about criminal justice? Then some personal insults -- and in subsequent posts, complains about personal attacks, even though she's the only one making any?

SMH, Vanessa. I hope you understand why the salient points you sprinkled in your posts aren't gaining much traction.

Just drop all these sponsored players, and sponsor Messi next. GOALLLLLLLLLLL. Please Stars.

Oh and allow screenname changes. Problem solved!

its been really disturbing so many people has mentioned this is the tip of the iceberg...

In the grander scheme of things this incident is no big deal... but when it's compounded by the other issues which are in relation to security that are being actively talked about it's just one more well placed arrow into players minds about the state of security in online poker.

Would love to talk more about the issues on why these things are happening and more importantly how to stop them but I'm not really allowed to.

Yeah, the "there's so much worse stuff going on that you shouldn't be upset about this incident" argument is pretty stupid.

If we (the unwashed masses of NVG) knew about the worse stuff, don't you think we'd be upset about that too?

Everyone supposedly in the know is keeping it a secret.

Cashed my bankroll out at pokerstars. Won't deposit there again until we get a comment from pokerstars regarding this situation.

That's not what I meant. Multi accounting is a big deal and especially at the stakes that are in relation to this incident. What I meant was sadly this incident will pass from peoples minds and unless there's a serious policy shift there's no reason it won't occur again.

The problem lies not with the individual but the policy.

Amazingly important and informative post within the context of this thread, thanks CB..

Just wanted to mention the above....

Wouldn't part of that be because highly informed individuals such as yourself on the security side and I'd assume from posts ITT the HS clique too(?), only consider it roughly the 739th worst form of cheating in the last five years I think you said?

Now I'm sure that was part hyperbole to make your more general and grander point..but still, I'm sure you can see what I'm getting at?

Should we be surprised by his arrogance and indignation? I mean its waaaaaaay down the line of ills out there..I mean its a grey area surely? lol




Anyway, no beef CB thanks for amazing post just thought that minor snippet may go unnoticed? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it?