Don't bash Hastings guys.. We need his strat posts! lol

Please post all info

When HS Players say it's no big deal, but suddenly people who don't even play him, nor play his stakes make a big deal out of it, it's most likely not because they suddenly want all people to follow the "rules" or because of their morals.
People at the top went a hard way to get there, no need to try to take them down this way. This is just dirty, mean spirit and the nasty way to do it. We're at the same level as the Boulevard magazines now gg well done.

Just think about it.

But when you think further, what does it mean, when MA and cheating is kind of accepted by the high stakes guys for all the smaller stakes?

On top of that what brings so much attention to this is that BH tried to blackmail David Baker with the "image of poker".

Did you read this PM? You can´t make this **** up.

Which was the "hard way to get there"? The vpn'ing or the ma'ing?

wow where to begin? first of all F hastings seems like a good place. its sadly not surprising that some of his peers are tolerant/rationalize this crap. remember how some actually came to the defense of jjprodigy way back when? makes you seriously wonder and cringe as many in this thread have obv been doing about just how many cheating scumbags there are.

the audacity of hasting seems to be never ending. i remember reading he approached blom ata club after everything and actually went over to him and tried shaking the guys hand and basically just got brushed off. surprising and lucky reaction for hastings considering he feels stole several million from him. not saying physical harm is the answer but if it happened just once maybe some of these scumbags might actually think twice about what theyre doing.

how hyppocritcal of some of the same who try and excuse this behavior to also talk about the long term health of the game which is BS cuz they can give a F about it, and only care about themselves& getting rich now and not what long term damage they are doing. as others have noted how much do the sites really care as long as the rake keeps pouring in? too bad even after how bad UB& full tilt f'd everyone and messed up their own respective gravy trains the existing sites still fail to see that theirs can come to a crashing halt due to many things.

i say anonymous like bovada, no huds/data mining software of any kind allowed and no p2p transfers which wont put an absolute end to colluding but for example will help and will make it alot more difficult for some1 to have a stable and will therefore eliminate alot of ghosting/cheating that is/has been going on in mtts forever. alot of new security measures need to be put in place and things need to change overall. regulation not just in the US but globally(one can dream right) would definitely help be a huge deterrant if those caught being a scumbag were put behind bars. change is long overdue or unfortunately there will continue to be victims and threads like this forever

pokerstars pro vanessa selbst considering the stars TOS a grey area ITT

no, those people want to keep earning hundreds of thousands of dollars, no matter how dirty they have to act.

I don't know what date the majority of the action was booked but.....
I would think if I was someone taking action on a bet like that, I would assume that before the series started they would likely brush up and work on some of their mixed games (or they weren't going to be rusty). Maybe get in touch with some people that are good at games they might feel weak in and pick there brains.

I think most people are in fact arguing this exact point. That's the thing that irks me. Everyone is completely self-righteous when these threads arise and doesn't understand this basic point you make up top (that levels of offenses exist). And then when the thread dies, everyone goes back to being a lazy ****, with the most sanctimonious of the lot probably scamming other people or doing other shady things to boot.

It's just like someone else mentioned... there's ridiculous amounts of this kind of stuff going on every day in the poker world, even at high stakes, and everyone who is actually in it is hears of it every day. I feel like the lack of distinguishing levels of offenses actually contributes to the apathy because our response tends to be "oh, more cheaters, whatever" and then people occasionally go after the people that are easiest to go after/best poker players rather than the people who commit the worst offenses who are just known regular scammers and get away with it day in and out. And surprise, surprise, the probability of everyone looking the other way is in direct negative correlation with the scammer/cheater's skill at poker! I guess it offends my notions of criminal justice, as well as screaming hypocrisy.

Thanks for responding intelligently and being part of small minority that actually attempts reading comprehension. After reading the rest of the BS responses to my comments, it's clear you're right --- a temporary lapse in judgment on my part to come back to this POS forum. I'll take the over on 2017 if you want to bet.

It's not like he scammed anyone, maybe he had some kind of advantage because of their opponents had a read on that account, but they pick up fast , he made that money out of skill, not by scamming anybody.

This thread is a huge joke and shouldn't be so big.

agree 100%

Because he deserves at least a chance to put his side of the story to whoever manages the PS pros.

But I agree it looks pretty bad for him given the pros are pretty much interchangeable from PS's point of view.

He's known in PS markets because they play coverage of him winning EPT San Remo and arriving to reg at EPT events on an endless loop in the EPT coverage. They can just do they same for someone else.

Eh, plenty of players who have played against NoelHayes have come forward in this thread and said they feel cheated.

Your posts and reasoning in this thread have been terrible, really terrible.

I don't think anyone will miss your contributions.

You are clearly biased towards your highstakes friends and completely and utterly clueless about how the vast majority of fair playing poker players think if you believe they wouldnt hound any cheater.

What you don't seem to understand is OF COURSE a high profile, rich, successful player cheating is going to catch more grief publically than some random small stakes colluder.

You are quite brilliantly proving being 'good' at poker and potentially having a high IQ still means you can be ridiculously dumb and short sighted.

Your posts have met with problems from a lot of people so you call everyone a piece of **** and do one. LOOOOOOOOOL.

Edit: BTW Vanessa, nice attitude you have to the paying customers of Pokerstars. You are true ambassador for the game!

she has always been a fish berating scuzz

will you refund my equity if you get caught MAing 2p2 using an established poster's account?

+1. pokerstars needs a cull.

The best thing for "the good of poker" would be banning all high stakes online.
It's full of morally deficient self serving creeps who don't give a toss about "the good of poker".
Selbst comes across badly as usual and Mercier is at best scuzzy and at worst a full partner in the bracelet bet scam.
The "official" version of the $4m Isildur session is pretty unlikely in my eyes too.
At least 2 of the 3 team hastings players are proven cheats.
After Isildur brushed off Hastings at the club Hastings probably had a chubby sitting him on the NH account. Vile man.

How can you possibly expect a small stakes colluder, or whatever you think actually happens at these stakes as a scam to catch as much grief as a prominent HS player who confesses to MAing?

What is it with the American HS players not having a problem with this? For the most part they seem to be the people who have been told about this, which is probably a pretty big factor, but even people like jungle who claims to have been cheated for the most is expressing at most mild indignation. I feel for you guys not being able to play from where you want but that doesn't give you the right to go about cheating.

Vanessa, you actually think I should be more annoyed about someone doing some sort of giftcard scam for 50$ on the forum, than someone multiaccounting in HS games? Could you name some of the regular scammers?

FFS Pokerstars, confirm he has been banned for a period of time. That way this will conclude this particular situation.

FWIW I think the only way poker will become a legit profession to be proud of, is when top players, and the poker community in general, do not try and brush over rule breaks but instead try and clean the game up.

By the looks of it BH chose to break the ToS, regardless of the reason behind it, it was his choice and he chose to do it. I don't really care if it was just to avoid the detection of playing in the USA (life is ****ty sometimes. I had to work away from home to earn my living, I didn't like it but I did it because I wanted to earn more money. I could have chosen a different career with less income just like BH could have done if being away from home was an issue).

Hopefully BH will not be entertained by the online poker community until his ban is up and he has served his time (by this I mean not allowed to earn money from training vids, interviews etc). Once his ban is up, he should then be welcomed back, providing he plays by the rules.

Hopefully he will realise that the problems associated with online poker are to do with the cheaters and rule breakers and those that sweep them under the carpet, not the people who 'out' them and want justice to be seen to be done.

what would banning high stakes do? Same applies for all stakes, its just that its for smaller dollar amounts.

obviously they are buddies you really think someone just hands over a account to a stranger.

I'm really out of the poker loop, so it's rly worrisome how many great players I know who r crushing WSOP this year, have done way worse than this and haven't been outed yet. Anyways i have no proof and I'm not going to go after elites without that lol. Every HS reg in here knows 5+ ppl min. who r ghosting/MA and aren't saying anything.

WTF are you talking about? Did you actually read the post I wrote? Giftcard scam for $50? Small stakes colluding? I said the worst offenses are ignored every day if people have money that they are seemingly going to donate to the poker world. And no I don't really feel like outing people because the list is just too damn long, my memory sucks for details that I don't care too much to remember, and I don't have direct evidence because I don't talk to people in these circles very often and I don't play in these games. So no, these aren't my good friends, and I'm not gaining financially from any of this BS. If anything, speaking my mind and opting out of the system just hurts my bottom line on a routine basis. So just get over your high horses... if you disagree with my points then so be it, but I have a valid point, so the condescending holier-than-thou attitudes you're taking instead of respectful and intelligent disagreement are just cringeworthy to me.

I just hear rumors or stories every goddamn week of 5 figures or more allegedly being scammed in one way or other. That was also my point about Jason Mercier and you guys all going on another witchhunt. If everyone were supposed to out everything every day that they heard about, then everyone should be banned from poker.

I mean, lol, someone in this thread just accused "me and my crew" of ghosting them on paradise poker in 2006. I'm pretty sure I had never even heard of paradise poker, and I sure don't have any clue who my "crew" was. Someone wanna report that to the authorities too?

Lastly: in before "well Jason heard it directly from Brian so it's way different than mere rumors." OK fine, even accepting that argument and ceding for argument's sake that he had a responsibility to report... how do you even know he didn't report it to Stars? You think Jason has a magical switch or knows someone with the switch at PS whereby Jason notifies someone and PS just snap deactivates the account? I mean, please, just have a reality check here. Things take time, investigations have to happen, etc. etc. and there's no way of knowing whether or not he did in fact tell someone at PS.