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06-26-2015 , 08:40 PM

#1051

LektorAJ

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Originally Posted by StoopidMonki

@lektor read berri sweet distinction and ull see the point...he lost about 30k in equety bekoz he didnt knew it was hastings

Yeah I agree it's bad that he didn't know it was Hastings.

I'm asking specifically about the difference between the account being fresh and the account already having played much lower - why would that distinction matter if the person sees zero previous hands played in their HUD?

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06-26-2015 , 08:44 PM

#1052

StoopidMonki

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 420

no it wouldnt matter they would be unknowns as they never played these stakes

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06-26-2015 , 08:44 PM

#1053

StoopidMonki

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but considered fish 4 sure

Last edited by StoopidMonki; 06-26-2015 at 08:54 PM. Reason: in those lineups

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06-26-2015 , 08:48 PM

#1054

SGT RJ

Twitching

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 49,109

It's similar to the issue when JM played opponents on the established Girahh account.

Even if they didn't have any hands played, they could certainly google the account name and find out some basics, like this player usually played smaller stakes and was apparently a rich business guy.

Now I'm no high stakes player, but I assume the way you'd approach a random rich businessman who decided to take a shot at higher stakes differently than an established pro with whom you do have history and a bunch of reads, or perhaps someone you would decline to play at all.

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06-26-2015 , 09:03 PM

#1055

Bikini Wax

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what a ****ing **** show

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06-26-2015 , 09:12 PM

#1056

StoopidMonki

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lets not forget that during his cheating the hs regs he went on create a bet and take bets on his wsop endings

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06-26-2015 , 09:13 PM

#1057

bumpnrun

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Originally Posted by roddy

no it doesn't, that's why everyone is so angry at what's been going on.

always strikes me as odd that people like you with so many posts in a short space of time are clearly against poker yet are always lurking around the poker community.

He's not against poker. Poker is just a card game. He's lamenting what a clusterfk the game has become and the scumminess of those at the top and he's right

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06-26-2015 , 09:18 PM

#1058

Aceholio

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 263

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Originally Posted by CoronalDischarge

^Well there's the fact that it was someone's google-able actual name for a start.

He played as LucLongley back in the day. That's someone's real name and some folks debated whether it was actually the nba player on the account. He was under no obligation to tell people that it was him then. What about when a named pro joins a new network? Is it their responsibility to use their same user name and let the Regs know that they are playing?

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06-26-2015 , 09:18 PM

#1059

youriw21

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Ridiculous how some are going after Joey and Mercier. They are not responsible for their "friends" actions. Nore is Mercier responsible for reporting who might be multi accounting. He probably hears dozens of rumours every year about players who are behind certain accounts. Even if he is 99% sure someone else is not playing his own account, it is still not his job to report all his suspicions.

stop the witch hunt and keep focus on BH

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06-26-2015 , 09:24 PM

#1060

TimStone

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Originally Posted by smacc25

hmmm i wonder if the pro's from the us would have the same attitude if it was russian HS players that had to VPN. i wonder i wonder.
And i would lay $ that Brian H only told americans.

This is so spot on yet no one commenting.

VS speaking of a "grey area".
Vanessa:
- me as a german player living in germany having to pay taxes is kind of a gray area (very very very gray - hence im not living in germany)
- any player playing under a screename on pstars not registered on his real name is not a very grey area. Its a v black one actually.

So no, im not sympathetic to a guy who abuses that black area.

Some days im really glad that i play for a living where everyone hates everyone and would rat out anyone not following teh rules in a heartbeat aka everything lower than highstakes

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06-26-2015 , 09:29 PM

#1061

TimStone

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Said it once b4 but wat baffles me more than anything is it takes 3 weeks and BH complaining about somebody angleshooting b4 someone of teh dozens of players who allegedly knew stepped forward...

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06-26-2015 , 09:30 PM

#1062

highhustla

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Originally Posted by youriw21

It's really not ridiculous, nor that simple.

What about when Mercier and "NoelHayes" were sitting in the same game, Mercier knew it was BH, and other players at the table did not?

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06-26-2015 , 09:32 PM

#1063

ddlloo12

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Originally Posted by StoopidMonki

lets not forget that during his cheating the hs regs he went on create a bet and take bets on his wsop endings

I think this is still an interesting point. People betting with him should have the right to assume he is not currently cheating. As part of research before a bet they can see he is currently not playing and beating the toughest games on stars. Getting an edge and cheating are two totally seperate things. He is soliciting offers on bets knowing he is training and practicing his skills that nobody else will know about and cheating in order to do it.

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06-26-2015 , 09:33 PM

#1064

elgrindo

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Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 156

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Originally Posted by the orange crush

lol to anyone thinking making screen name changes will make things better. It is hard enough to catch cheaters right now. It will be impossible to catch cheaters if you can change your screen name.

example of cheating from this week:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-them-1537778/

Hi Brian

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06-26-2015 , 09:40 PM

#1065

elgrindo

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Multiaccounting = Rungood @wsop

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06-26-2015 , 09:43 PM

#1066

Airblaze

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It's pretty obvious from his pm to 'Bakes' Hastings is delusional and he is prancing on his obscure/bizarre moral high ground . The delusional brain holds onto positive feedback, Selbst's and Cates' partial endorsement will confirm to Brian that he's A-OK.

He is not, he cheated the TOC, simple.

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06-26-2015 , 09:44 PM

#1067

Videopro

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Originally Posted by GMLAW

*** SHORT CLIFFS FOR THOSE JUST ENTERING THIS THREAD ***

Copied to OP. Thanks.

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06-26-2015 , 09:45 PM

#1068

caspro911

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So basically he used a different name to deceive everyone and to get around people using his info on their hud?

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06-26-2015 , 09:46 PM

#1069

StoopidMonki

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he missed zima post about not entering a horse when he heard tho

Last edited by StoopidMonki; 06-26-2015 at 09:47 PM. Reason: @professinalpoker

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06-26-2015 , 09:47 PM

#1070

caspro911

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Originally Posted by elgrindo

Multiaccounting = Rungood @wsop

Apparently

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06-26-2015 , 09:49 PM

#1071

U shove i call

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noelhayes is not eligible to receive a real money transfer.

Was 12 hours ago so guess stars finally took some action.

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06-26-2015 , 09:51 PM

#1072

restorativejustice

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Originally Posted by highhustla

It's really not ridiculous, nor that simple.

What about when Mercier and "NoelHayes" were sitting in the same game, Mercier knew it was BH, and other players at the table did not?

So a PStars sponsored pro does not report to PStars that a player at his table is breaching their TOS (which to some degree harms PStars and its ability to gain/maintain licensing in various jurisdictions) and, in remaining silent, gains an edge over other PStars players at the table.

And Mercier has not been suspend/cut by now, why?

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06-26-2015 , 09:56 PM

#1073

ddlloo12

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I think this is still an interesting point with the betting. People betting with him should have the right to assume he is not currently cheating. As part of research before a bet they can see he is currently not playing and beating the toughest games on stars. Getting an edge and cheating are two totally seperate things. He is soliciting offers on bets knowing he is training and practicing his skills that nobody else will know about and cheating in order to do it.

Would like to see a stars statement. Also people betting should not be paying bracelet bets imo.

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06-26-2015 , 10:02 PM

#1074

youriw21

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 684

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Originally Posted by highhustla

It's really not ridiculous, nor that simple.

What about when Mercier and "NoelHayes" were sitting in the same game, Mercier knew it was BH, and other players at the table did not?

What about it? He is to blame for knowing he is playing a tough opponent when others at the table don't know the player is actually solid?

It is very common for players to know and recognise other regs while some who are new still have to find out.

btw: How many hands does it actually take for alle those "effected" to recognise someone is actually a good player?

edit: Though I understand the unfair advantage BH has knowing his opponents playstyle. I just don't see how Mercier is to blame when sitting at the same table

Last edited by youriw21; 06-26-2015 at 10:16 PM.

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06-26-2015 , 10:08 PM

#1075

krmont22

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I'll just say from my experience in the poker world, this is really just the tip of the iceberg. Brian came out and told people, because he clearly does not even consider this wrong. You have to think of all the things no one talks about or reveals among the top players.

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