well vanessa, yes, outing them like this will keep them quiet...but having legal consecuences, will make less likely for anyone to multiaccount, and i hope that's what happen. as i said before, if any british player played against hastings and decides to sue him, he's in big trouble. let alone other kind of legal issues he could have in the us.

Fair enough. I would like nothing more for a US online poker policy that makes logical sense and allows us the freedom to play if we choose.

Unfortunately that is not the current climate and we all hope that changes and soon.

I believe there is more to this case and BH shouldn't get a pass. He is one of the lucky few with the means to play legally(within TOS) if he wants. He could jet to Canada or Mexico or any number of places for a week or two when SCOOP is on or he wants to jump into high stakes cash games.

So you think a better strategy is to not try and get cheaters punished/outed?

Your logic is baffling. Do you think not making cheaters who get caught pay a price, will discourage MA'ing more than severe punishments or what?? Seems like its soundly gonna be the opposite, hence more people get cheated.

Cheating is couter-productive to the goals of healthy online poker. Not outing cheaters.

I'm sure stars will be sure to fairly distribute the winnings. $9.35 credits incoming for the affected HS players! Oh wait, they already donated it to charity? They don't know which charity they already donated it to, huh?

Zzzz nvg is laaging behind selbsts retraction so badly. Couldve been avoided though by reading it through first. A+ mistake imo

She still said he did the right thing by trying to contact a few (tiny portion of his opponents) regs to tell them he was basically cheating. and that it is BAD for poker to out it.

Apparently MA'ing is totally fine if it is a new account.

I just don't get poker. Apparently the ppl who were pro's in 2005-2006 are as scummy and degenerate as the old road gambling live pros.

i thought he was doing the right thing telling everyone...but he told about it to mement mori once it was all over the internet...why didnt he tell him before that? what other guys said about the right thing, including vanessa, i think it was just damage control.

indeed, i'm totally in shock, i don't get it. there just few HS players who can see how ****ed up this it, but for lots of them it's standard and not a big deal at all. it says a lot about most of the HS players really. disgusting.

am i right in assuming he is only paying back some scoop equity and not the months of playing HS cashgames? am i the only one who thinks its a bit weird around the same time as noel hayes mercier also joined the hs draw games after never being there b4?

mate, there are many shady things that could have been going on but we will never know about them.

lol, jason has been playing big games for years....

online hs draw games?

yes, he was playing 2k4k draw on ftp over the last few years many times

This

Nice "arguments" and logic here by some people...

Can't believe I'm stupid enough to play on a 10 year old account... I should create/buy a new one, trick other regs into thinking that I'm a fish, so they'll give me more HU action, while I'm sitting on a ton of reads on them... but let's not make a big fuzz about it, in the meantime I will lobby hard to change this horrible system!

wow this thread is really doing a great job in outing the HS apologists. thank **** i don't play this ****ty game any more, i'd feel like such an idiot if i did.

in all fairness i think most pokerpros who play thew highstakes got cheated so many times they dont care as much as we do..which is understandable..but hastings going out of his way to get an believable account and backstory to it...and also betting on himself in the wsop without people knowing he was noel hayes makes it so much worse then just simply vpn-ing koz ur american..imo

^The worst part of his actions is, as I've repeated before, him playing HU vs isildur with the HoelHayes account. Assuming he did not tell isildur beforehand that he is Hastings, ofc..

Vanessa why don't you make a post or blog about allowing screen name changes? That seems more useful than trying to close the door after the horse has bolted*. And LOL at thinking this is going to affect the legalisation of poker, there's a million more shady things (FTP stealing $300mm, superusers, collusion etc.) the anti crowd can draw on. And c'mon that debate is being won by special interests, lobbying, bribes etc. If it was based on merits online poker the UIGEA would never had passed in the first place.

*'Let's not talk about it because it makes [insert tribe] look bad' is one of history's most destructive arguments. Always easy to rationalise when it's your tribe in a mess. Rarely a good idea, often a terrible one.

Hastings seems a bone fide sociopath.

He has a history of very dubious behaviour, but thinking he could get away with this particular incident after telling a bunch of people just reeks of utter arrogance and zero morals.

Besides this, surely by now you have realised that Mercier is a scumbag?

cliffs on why Mercier is getting flak?

hmmm i wonder if the pro's from the us would have the same attitude if it was russian HS players that had to VPN. i wonder i wonder.
And i would lay $ that Brian H only told americans.

Thread confirms most if not all poker players are scumbags

lol to anyone thinking making screen name changes will make things better. It is hard enough to catch cheaters right now. It will be impossible to catch cheaters if you can change your screen name.

example of cheating from this week:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-them-1537778/