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Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post. Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post.

06-26-2015 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
lol you guys care way more than i did and i promise i lost way more money than any of you from games with him :$
Did you know this account was not being used by the original owner?
Or can I rephrase it to....

Did you at first have no reason to believe it was the original owner but later find out it was in fact BH and start refusing to start the 400/800 games against him heads up but suggest you would do so at lower levels "maybe"?
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06-26-2015 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
A few of the things that don't add up for the depressed guy who just wanted to play in the US and tried telling everyone he played with:

1. Playing in cash games with Bakes and Hotmark since February
2. Intentionally doing fishy plays at the beginning of sessions to get action

I still can't get over that PM lol
Why do you think he told anyone at all in the first place if he has intention to cheat?
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06-26-2015 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DrawNone
odds a Stars pro has transfer history with the NoelHayes account?
infinity-to-1 against
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06-26-2015 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
lol you guys care way more than i did and i promise i lost way more money than any of you from games with him :$
If high stakes players and stars are ok with it, then buyer beware. I do agree that nvg should be more ok with it than most.
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06-26-2015 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
lol you guys care way more than i did and i promise i lost way more money than any of you from games with him :$
Stating the painfully obvious: the fact that other HS regs -- a frequent opponent of his no less -- seem largely unfazed by this revelation should indicate just how commonplace this sleaze actually is. Hastings is just the tip of the spear.
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06-26-2015 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
lol you guys care way more than i did and i promise i lost way more money than any of you from games with him :$

the brotherhood amongst cheats is priceless
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06-26-2015 , 02:37 PM
in b4 portman gets outed as another "shared "account
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06-26-2015 , 02:37 PM
LOl it's all about Jungle now.

And to elaborate on a post I made earlier: The original Eire Abu of 2012 was certainly not Stinger, Grimason or Harrington
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06-26-2015 , 02:38 PM
In merciers defense, back in May he did say that "noelhayes" was a FT at last years 10k razz in table chat. Kind of a big clue.
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06-26-2015 , 02:38 PM
Jungleman and his hitman usually don't care about losing money to cheats and thieves.
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06-26-2015 , 02:39 PM
If only Jungle and Durrrr multiacounted, Jungle would now have his money
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06-26-2015 , 02:40 PM
jungleman after posting ITT

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06-26-2015 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
lol you guys care way more than i did and i promise i lost way more money than any of you from games with him :$
Confirmed: Hitmen team activated. Alibi established.
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06-26-2015 , 02:43 PM
the high stakes player anthem

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06-26-2015 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by k i d`
jungleman after posting ITT

lmao
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06-26-2015 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
The way you're phrasing it is laughable. He's well within his rights to let PS handle enforcing their policies and not jump at every opportunity to report people. There is some gray area here, I guess, but to act like Mercier is somehow aiding and abetting a criminal is pure comedy. Get a grip.
Actually, no. You are wrong.

mreed is one of the few high stakes regs posting in this thread who have shown that they have a sense of fairness and integrity.

One thing that's not being discussed here that should be being discussed is the overall sense of entitlement and the focus on achievements and belonging exhibited by the majority of the high stakes community.

People like Mercier, ChicagoJoey, and others who have said nothing or soft-condoned/defended Hastings here are not the people who should be getting any type of respect.

People like Bakes, Thayer, mreed, are the real heroes in this story. Those willing to speak truth to power without regard to how it affects their friendships, standing within their group of peers, or bottom line are those who deserve the community's respect.

At this point, if you fail to understand how big of a scumbag Hastings and co are, especially given the reaction since being exposed, you are part of the problem.

Power corrupts. Great men (players) are almost always bad men.
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06-26-2015 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ASPoker8

People like Mercier, ChicagoJoey, and others who have said nothing or soft-condoned/defended Hastings here are not the people who should be getting any type of respect.

People like Bakes, Thayer, mreed, are the real heroes in this story. Those willing to speak truth to power without regard to how it affects their friendships, standing within their group of peers, or bottom line are those who deserve the community's respect.
this. 100% this.
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06-26-2015 , 02:54 PM
They are poker players though after all. Just because they are "high" stakes doesn't mean they hold each other to "high" standards.

No different than any other industry...cops don't rat on cops...wallstreeters don't rat on each other.

But when they do, they may be viewed as a rat, which is why Bakes is getting some hate. And guys like ChicagoJoey might get less hate.
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06-26-2015 , 02:55 PM
Can't believe this has turned into such a big deal. Guys acting like he could see his opponent cards.
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06-26-2015 , 02:56 PM
So I've only read a really small piece of this thread, apologies if I'm repeating.

I think y'all really need to think about what you're doing as a community. Crucifying someone who is MA'ing is absolutely terrible for poker. Basically, the people who wind up getting burned at the stake (BH, gboro, etc) are the people who were trying to do the "right thing" and come out to some people about their accounts. The people who say nothing to anyone get away scot free.

I'm not condoning the activity of MA'ing but from a pragmatic point of view, what's more likely to result from threads like these - that everyone stops MA'ing, or that they stop coming out to ANYONE at any time?

Furthermore, the idea of blaming Jason Mercier for not coming out with the info is the same situation. If he is supposed to be punished for not immediately outing someone who comes out to him, you basically just ensure that Jason now has to play poker against multiaccounters without that info. Sure, it's a pessimistic attitude, but it's reality.

Since this is a sort of a lose-lose, the only result of threads like these or blaming Mercier is creating totally perverse incentives. Given that, there just has to be some sort of change in the rules/ethical code about changing screen names, or something else has gotta give. I just think it's so short-sighted for everyone to pile on in these instances. Things are not black and white, there are gray areas. What BH did isn't great of course, but surely we can understand the reason behind doing it if you are based in the US (once again I don't know specifics of the activities of whether he was pretending to be fishy or not, but just assuming not for now). So shouldn't we have at least some compassion for existing within the gray area?

Just my 2 cents.

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06-26-2015 , 03:01 PM
jungleman is a stand up guy and some friend imo - honestly how can anyone not like the guy, like here is Brian getting bombarded left right and center from NVG with a bit of arrogance i might add


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and in steps jungleman, makes a posts as if to say, come at me bro, giving Brian a bit of a breather.

ma man
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06-26-2015 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fslexcduck
are the people who were trying to do the "right thing" and come out to some people about their accounts.
How on Earth is this the "right thing"?

If, for example, you use steroids to win the Tour De France, it's OK somehow if you only tell a few people???? And it's THEIR fault if you then get caught?

Sorry, but this line of thought just seems bizarre to me. Although Lance Armstrong would probably agree with it.
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06-26-2015 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fslexcduck
So I've only read a really small piece of this thread, apologies if I'm repeating.

I think y'all really need to think about what you're doing as a community. Crucifying someone who is MA'ing is absolutely terrible for poker. Basically, the people who wind up getting burned at the stake (BH, gboro, etc) are the people who were trying to do the "right thing" and come out to some people about their accounts. The people who say nothing to anyone get away scot free.

I'm not condoning the activity of MA'ing but from a pragmatic point of view, what's more likely to result from threads like these - that everyone stops MA'ing, or that they stop coming out to ANYONE at any time?

Since this is a sort of a lose-lose, the only result of threads like these is creating totally perverse incentives. Given that, there just has to be some sort of change in the rules/ethical code about changing screen names, or something else has gotta give. I just think it's so short-sighted for everyone to pile on in these instances. Things are not black and white, there are gray areas. What BH did isn't great of course, but surely we can understand the reason behind doing it if you are based in the US (once again I don't know specifics of the activities of whether he was pretending to be fishy or not, but just assuming not for now). So shouldn't we have at least some compassion for existing within the gray area?

Just my 2 cents.
100% agree with option to change screen name. That's about the best thing Pokerstars could do at this point.
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06-26-2015 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fslexcduck
So I've only read a really small piece of this thread, apologies if I'm repeating.

I think y'all really need to think about what you're doing as a community. Crucifying someone who is MA'ing is absolutely terrible for poker. Basically, the people who wind up getting burned at the stake (BH, gboro, etc) are the people who were trying to do the "right thing" and come out to some people about their accounts. The people who say nothing to anyone get away scot free.

I'm not condoning the activity of MA'ing but from a pragmatic point of view, what's more likely to result from threads like these - that everyone stops MA'ing, or that they stop coming out to ANYONE at any time?

Since this is a sort of a lose-lose, the only result of threads like these is creating totally perverse incentives. Given that, there just has to be some sort of change in the rules/ethical code about changing screen names, or something else has gotta give. I just think it's so short-sighted for everyone to pile on in these instances. Things are not black and white, there are gray areas. What BH did isn't great of course, but surely we can understand the reason behind doing it if you are based in the US (once again I don't know specifics of the activities of whether he was pretending to be fishy or not, but just assuming not for now). So shouldn't we have at least some compassion for existing within the gray area?

Just my 2 cents.
I think this is a load of bull**** and that you are better than this post.
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06-26-2015 , 03:04 PM
I think most of the backlash comes from Brains actions around this more than actually multi accounting but maybe that is just my personal view
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