cliffs on what mercier did?

he knew Noyel was BH and did nothing

he didn't snap report Hastings to PokerStars therefore he should be removed from his sponsorship and shunned from the poker community

David Baker should also be shunned from the poker community because he didn't report Hastings quickly enough amirite

If pokerstars and full tilt(the only sites I play on) say it's not ok to use HEM or pokertracker then I won't use it anymore. Because that's the rule.

Multi-accounting is against the rule though, and is cheating.

I understand your point, but the simple fact is, pokertracker and HEM is allowed and MA is not. Bad players can get HEM if they want, but almost no fish will ever MA.

I tried this line yesterday and it didn't end well.

the difference is that i'm being sarcastic

Shunning does nothing if you have a backbone. They can keep playing so why wouldn't they?

Just read this today. Excuses, excuses..

GOD that guy is sooooo ridiculous and this thread is by far the most tilting read ever for me...i just hope he will end up like Darren Woods. It can take time, but Stars need to take serious legal actions, i dont know anything about the law in US but in the UK cheating in poker is treated same way as financial fraud, so it would be much easier to sentence this ****ng cheater if he stayed in UK. Anyway wtf happened to Stars these days no official statement here, no official statement in the "bot thread"...I'd love to at least read Steve's or any other PS guy comment "We are working on this case, keep calm guys we will solve it out". Apart from this idiot's comments,pms and pov, silence from PS is another supertilting part of the case..GRR

People act like everybody does MA. Every us based pro vpns, etc.

ITS PATHETIC. TEH VAST MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ONLINE IS PLAYING BY TEH RULES. And this is just a giant insult to everybody who does so.

I also dont get how nobody came forward with that. If i knew people who play from us via vpn first thing would be a mail to stars support. Unless im damn good friends with somebody (and even then i would ask them to stop or i report) and i doubt BH is besties wit teh entire HS community.
How a stars pro doesnt immidiately report that is beyond me...

Yeah, the shunning thing is naive..

Whatever, most poker players will not hang with Mr. Hastings anymore, and some will. And those who will are *******s too in my book.

Hastings wants to bring more awareness to depression and the wsop, just not multi accounting.

I played in some of those 8 game games with Noel thinking he was a fish. I think I played up to 100/200 with him (though potentially up to 400/800 I honestly cant remember if he was in the lineup the times I sat). Its obviously total **** what BH did but I think people are being a little hard on mercier.

If Mercier is found to have helped/facilitated this happening in any way then I think stars should be done with him. Whether that be funding the account, introducing the parties involved etc. Without evidence of any of this (which doesnt exist as far as I can tell) I think we should be a little more lenient towards him.


Imagine you're in Mercier's shoes. He's playing in a game with a presumed fish and some other regs. He then gets told (by BH) that BH is behind the Noel Hayes account. He presumably assumes that the others have also been told too (I probably would, maybe that's naive of me but lets be honest, at that time my brain is on poker, and my immediate assumption is that he's just using it to skirt the law that says you cant play from the states (which is a ridiculous one). He's not really directly hurting anybody. So I just note that Im playing a reg only table and continue to play. After the session when hes done and his brain is off poker Hes now in the unenviable position of either having to out his friend to his boss (and hes presumably aware that doing so results in the termination of his friends account and the seizure of large amounts of money) or just shut up and hope that nothing happens.

I dont know what I would do in this spot and I think of myself as a pretty reasonable guy. I certainly would feel some responsibility towards the rest of the world and following the TOC but I also dont know if Id have it in me to throw my friend under the bus and cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars and a long time ban from online poker.


Hes in a really ****ing ****ty spot. Obviously we'd all have preferred that he'd come forward but I think if we're all being honest with ourselves here a very large % of us can honestly say they'd never do what Brian did. I think a very small % of us can honestly say with 100% certainty that if we'd found out one of our friends was doing this we'd just instantly report him. The best I can say for myself with 100% certainty is that I'd try to talk him out of it but beyond that I dont know. I'd probably be pretty inclined to just shut my mouth and hope the problem goes away.


Maybe stars can decide that while he was in a **** spot he made the wrong decision and his allegiances lie with his friends and not with them and that in the end they have to fire him because they just cant condone this sort of **** and anyone that's even remotely involved or was aware of it has to go. Fair enough. If thats what they decide I don't think we can hold that against them. If thats what happens then I guess mercier has to live with that and if BH is sincere about paying people back for lost EV you can be sure as **** that mercier's salary gets added to that tab.

That being said, I don't think we should hold it against Jason that he didn't immediately come forward.

Fair enough. But there is still some truth to it. People ITT want mercier to lose his sponsorship and are outraged at Joey. But bakes held on to the info for a month. End of derail. Back to lurking.

Tim is right again.

BF sucked big time for everyone except Joe Tall.

I moved to Canada just like a bunch of pros and hated it just like a bunch of pros. I was at crossroad in my career and had to quit. The only other site I've played on since then is SWC and Bovada.

I have cost myself about 500k in EV by not pulling a Stinger, but he's stunting on our graves on social media by being a manipulative attention whore. Tilts me to no end that CNBC gobbles this **** up.

any statement from stars yet? this thread got huge

THIS

True, try to really think about the most logical explanation to why this would be. From the videos its obv Brian helped Joey in game to some degree, an extent they will only ever know. Now if joey sides against Brian then Brian may reveal more information. Joey slams the bar code account regularly but makes out as if it's not that bad when it comes to Brian. Please feel free to comment on this Joe Ingram. I am a follower btw and will continue to follow, due to the entrainment factor and general banter, but Id like this addressed. Thanks

I never used anyone's name because I have no knowledge, and it seems everyone is just assuming based on who played the same games as Stinger. But you seem to be missing the fact that these guys are different from some random player (who I also think should be outing cheaters), they are being paid tens of thousands of dollars to promote the site, bring good attention, etc. This is quite the opposite. I don't know what the appropriate punishment would be, but to act like they don't have any responsibility when they know cheating is going on in games they play in, on a site they are public and paid representatives of... that is laughable.

lol, so he say much and nothing... he legitimized his moves with his "earnings for the community

what a...

this is like stars who think they can act vs. laws because they are stars

And yes I feel for any stars pros who were put in such a ****ty spot by Hastings.

The UKGC didn't prosecute him, it was affiliate fraud that led to the prosecution by the CPS. They don't prosecute crooked racehorse owners who lay their own horses on betfair. They didn't prosecute the cricketers who were caught spot fixing, that was the CPS again. They haven't ever prosecuted an internet gambling cheat. They are a rubber stamp regulator just like Malta etc.

Hastings officially found the world's smallest violin.

Sorry, but your post is ridiculous and clearly biased. Biased to the point that it could be him himself. If you happen to be in connection with Hayes, the fact that this post appears long after the whole thing has been confirmed, proves just how un-exceptional and lacking in clarity he actually is.

As outlined in the earlier pages of this thread, profits on the racehorse Our Conor were nowhere near 7 figures. The sale was for 1 million, but Hayes was only part of a syndicate of owners. Sure he netted some profits but no more than a few 100k. And also, it was a one off stroke of luck as any other horse he was involved in lost money from the day it was bought, as do 99% of racehorses. For a small time owner like Hayes to fluke on a horse like that would be something like the equivalent of a 1/2 grinder winning the main. But yeah, fair play as he bought the horse for 4.5k and I wouldn't begrudge him that success. If he flaunted that's his business, but people like that rarely have as much as they show and losing gamblers who flaunt are often nearly broke in reality.

He is also not a shrewd operator in the gambling industry in Ireland. C'mon man! He has never had a winning account in his life. His money is known talk money. He works for bookies and tries to follow "good money" or talk money. If it was that easy all bookmakers would be broke from the staff of other bookmakers winning millions. There is usually a good reason why a gambler ends up working for a bookie Since online exchanges took over, it's only mug money going to the bookies. Even look at the last pic on his Twitter: a bet of 200 @ 16/1 from 2013, hardly the bet of a high roller, but even more telling is the fact that if an account with Paddy Power was even hinting at breaking even, then you wouldn't get 50cent on @ 16/1, such is their level of tightness. I'm not joking, that's exactly how they do it: you ring in a bet and are told "sorry sir, but our liabilities on the market in question are such that we can only take the minimum bet of 50cent on your selection." In other words your account is closed but they offer you 50cent just to mark their card so they can adjust their book.

Yeah, Hayes is not a winning gambler in any format and to suggest he suddenly brushed up his poker game sufficiently to be competent in multiple formats of HS online is beyond ridic. I would bet a sizeable sum that he wouldn't beat 50$ NL over 50k hands, let alone HS at multiple formats.