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Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post. Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post.

06-26-2015 , 10:40 AM
If Mercier (or any other stars pro) knew of Hasting's Multi-accounting cheats, they should be held liable as well and they should, at the very least, have their sponsorship taken away.
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06-26-2015 , 10:41 AM
500k in 3 weeks, including 2 wins and BAM smacked in the face with your scummy transgressions of the "past".

Emphasis on past because the lack of respect for yourself as well as others that radiates through the snarky responses to interest in the isildurr situation leads me to beleive you have little to no remorse for said transgressions and are capable of relapse.

Also, you are yet another example of why I never want to be a known player if I find success in poker. That way, a hooker/weed charge wont be so brutal.

.. and yea, nice press on the issue CJ... ive seen you dig like a mofo on touchy/edgy topics w people on the cast (well 1 person + 1st few BH ...not really a fan after that), yet seamlessly dissmissing this wonderful opportunity for content with BH?

Last edited by NoQuarter; 06-26-2015 at 11:03 AM.
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06-26-2015 , 10:41 AM
Let's keep the lion's share of the blame where it belongs. It's largely unfair to blast HS pros who knew it was BH for not immediately turning him in. They're not entirely blameless, but it's just another facet of what makes Brian's behavior so scummy: it's just an incredibly ****ty spot to put your opponents/"friends" in: Keep my scummy secret -- essentially be my co-conspirator -- or be a rat. He's thrusting them against their will into a bad spot. Regardless, from the tone of the Bakes PM, it's clear the guy is a complete sociopath, not even seeming to understand what he's doing is wrong.
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06-26-2015 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
he hasn't admitted it.
Did you not take the same train as everyone else to work today?

There are three options here.
1. Bakes faked the PM he got from Hastings and SGT RJ is in on it too.
2. You haven't read the PM.
3. You have read the PM, but you are socially inept or you are heavily biased.
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06-26-2015 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gabbkk
wouldnt want to be in jason mercier shoes atm,being a stars sponsor pro and being aware of someone breaking the rules and not saying anything about it......wonder how stars feels about it.especially when it includes someone playing illegally from the usa.
How can PStars continue to pay someone that knew a player was violating their TOS and, in so doing, taking tens of thousands (some by misrepresentation/fraud) from unknowing players and undermining the company's future chance at being accepted back into the US market or continuing to operate legally in others?

PStars needs to start sacrificing bodies to save face.

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06-26-2015 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
How can PStars continue to pay someone that knew a player was violating their TOS and, in so doing, taking tens of thousands from unknowing players and undermining any future chance at being accepted back into the US market?

PStars needs to start sacrificing bodies to save face.
Yep!

So many so called sponsored pros have zero integrity!
One of starts best role models left because she didn't want to be involved with a company who are taking casino games to the masses!
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06-26-2015 , 10:49 AM
Stinger sounds in his postings like a delusional person that just joined a cult.

A cover up of stories like this won't neither benefit the poker community in the US nor around the world, it will only make things worse.
The only way the poker world can gain more credibility and transparency is by outing these cheaters and punish them accordingly.
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06-26-2015 , 10:52 AM
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Can someone help me with how I go about posting an image in this thread?
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Originally Posted by everydaygrind
If Mercier (or any other stars pro) knew of Hasting's Multi-accounting cheats, they should be held liable as well and they should, at the very least, have their sponsorship taken away.
this is a real slippery slope.
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06-26-2015 , 10:54 AM
on a side note, with the new law in the US, does this mean that Sonya can finally just marry Brian's money now?
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06-26-2015 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
this is a real slippery slope.
And also ridiculous. Did mercier see him do it in person? Did he really know or did someone tell him (hearsay). Does he deserve punishment? Imo, no. Unless he was a conspirator/profited then that's a different story.

When there's a will, there's a way. Cut off the head, and 8 more appear. There will always be cheats, angles and scammers. Play with honor and you have nothing to worry about. Work hard on your game and it can be beat.

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06-26-2015 , 11:02 AM
I very much approve of what Hasting possibly did. A lot of the haters here are using scripts and other malicious tools/secret methods to prey upon the fish in a terrible manner. Hasting or EireAbu is doing the same thing to regs he deems bad. Its scummy and against the TOS but so should be scripts and whatever else a ton of guys are keeping secret.
It seems all of you are making this about rules, but right now the rules are similar to rape is illegal but drugging someone untill they agree to sex with you is somewhat ok yet frowned upon.
We're all here for the fish, what we do to each other should have absolutely no limits untill the fish is protected.
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06-26-2015 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tultfill
Did you not take the same train as everyone else to work today?

There are three options here.
1. Bakes faked the PM he got from Hastings and SGT RJ is in on it too.
2. You haven't read the PM.
3. You have read the PM, but you are socially inept or you are heavily biased.
Not to mention he DM"ed me yesterday after I tweeted about him and asked me if I felt I was owed any equity from him and if so how much.
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06-26-2015 , 11:07 AM
I'd love to know who is playing on the killerkp screenname that looks like it belongs to Noel Hayes's mate Ken Powell.

Hasn't played any significant amount of MTT's in the last 5 years and then suddenly comes out of nowhere with a win and a final table in the superstar reg infested Thursday Thrill in less than 2 months

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...ml?t=2&scp=494
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06-26-2015 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MX210
I very much approve of what Hasting possibly did. A lot of the haters here are using scripts and other malicious tools/secret methods to prey upon the fish in a terrible manner. Hasting or EireAbu is doing the same thing to regs he deems bad. Its scummy and against the TOS but so should be scripts and whatever else a ton of guys are keeping secret.
It seems all of you are making this about rules, but right now the rules are similar to rape is illegal but drugging someone untill they agree to sex with you is somewhat ok yet frowned upon.
We're all here for the fish, what we do to each other should have absolutely no limits untill the fish is protected.
Yeah all those tournament regs and mixed game players are well known for being seat scripting scumbags. This is obviously a terrible post.

I'm glad the truth came out and I would like to echo the thoughts of Alexo and Hotmmark that when I initially saw the account it did seem to be playing pretty fishy. I presumed it was a MA but still prob lost a decent chunk of equity in a bunch of comps with myself/horses and CG too. Probably a bit lucky I never got through the right waiting lists to do any massive damage.
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06-26-2015 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
Not to mention he DM"ed me yesterday after I tweeted about him and asked me if I felt I was owed any equity from him and if so how much.
lol

how do you feel about another ps pros knowing about it?
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06-26-2015 , 11:14 AM
Not gonna lie , if I was him I'd ignore it all and laugh my way to the bank.

He exploited an edge and got paid. Like all other scummy "business" people across America.

Never met the dude and don't really care. Think a lot of people are making a bigger deal of it because there's nothing else to really talk about now a days.

What's the repercussion of this? He is disliked by a bunch of randoms who never met him? Who cares.


Legal issues? That's where I would be scared. If not , meh whatever. If he wants people to think he's a dick and is fine with it so be it.

If not , apologize and make it right? Idk how but I am sure the Wizards have an idea.

Also since I don't play online and never used a hud, why would it even matter as much as people seem to think?

Wouldn't the hud tell you how he is playing regardless and you would see he isn't some "fish"?

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06-26-2015 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MX210
I very much approve of what Hasting possibly did. A lot of the haters here are using scripts and other malicious tools/secret methods to prey upon the fish in a terrible manner. Hasting or EireAbu is doing the same thing to regs he deems bad. Its scummy and against the TOS but so should be scripts and whatever else a ton of guys are keeping secret.
It seems all of you are making this about rules, but right now the rules are similar to rape is illegal but drugging someone untill they agree to sex with you is somewhat ok yet frowned upon.
We're all here for the fish, what we do to each other should have absolutely no limits untill the fish is protected.
Just because other people do shady things too, doesn't make this right.
People beeing apologetic about cheating and breaking the TOS disgust me!
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06-26-2015 , 11:16 AM
Brian Hastings ‏@brianchastings · 22h22 hours ago
.@Haley_Hintze do you even believe half the stuff you wrote? What a piece of garbage. Several outright factual inaccuracies, for starters.
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06-26-2015 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
I remembered Jared Bleznick (Harrington25 - known multiaccounter) was on poker after dark with Hastings and quick creepy detective work shows they are fb friends.

furthermore jared is friends with multiple irish poker players on Facebook (and coincidentally david williams)


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Last week, Andrew “EireAbu” Grimason took over the top spot on PokerStars’ yearly leaderboard with almost $1.3 million in profit. Unfortunately for him, his reign lasted just one week as Ben “Sauce123” Sulsky continued his heater.

Grimason/NoelHayes mutual friends too

http://www.pokernetwork.com/news/the...reabu-atop.htm

Moving on slightly further Grimason and Bleznick also mutual friends on fb and not many/no other US regs.

So my long winded theory is that Harrington25 somehow set up the whole thing through NoelHayes who had an account with good credit history (rich guy probably punted in past for fun) as Harrington has a lot of links in Ireland and successfully made EireAbu work. Harrington/Hastings friends and Hastings wanted to get back on to play online and knows Harrington is the goat at getting all of that set up.

Maybe others were playing on the account at times, who knows.

Very possibly wrong, but kinda fun to think about.
I think it's fairly well known that Grimason is not actually EireAbu.
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06-26-2015 , 11:24 AM
Fu mr. Brian Hastings, **** you, you complete and utter piece of scum!!

Brian Hastings thought process :

Uuhh everybody's doing it.. Yes I stole money from people, but because other people do it too, it's ok. I don't care about right or wrong, cause I'm a ****ing douchebag..

Don't care that I hurt people cause, I'm an *******. I'm a cheat, a sociopath and I can't take the immense feelings of guilt and shame that I and only I deserve cause of my actions, so I project it on the rest of the community.

Yessir, it's the poker communitys fault that YOU CHEATED, ahah.

I beg of you, all of the american poker community(and others too), just shun this piece of **** guy. He could have started a business, gotten a job at mcdonalds, tried to get a job as a house player at a casino, a job as a dealer and so on and on.

Instead he chose to cheat, because that's what he is.

A lot of us play poker, cause we like the challenge, and when we valuebet thin and get a call, make a good bluff or a hero call we feel good. Because we only used our own skills(and holdem manager or pokertracker too I admit it ). And thats what poker should be about. Remember that kids.

Fu hastings!

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06-26-2015 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MilkMan
I think it's fairly well known that Grimason is not actually EireAbu.
+1, to my knowledge the identity of eireabu is still unknown for most of the poker world. There may be a few HS regs out there who know who he is, but that is speculation on my part.
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06-26-2015 , 11:32 AM
Everyone goes bat **** crazy when people get caught multiaccounting/using a VPN on sites such as stars and FTP. Has anyone thought about how frequently this happens/has been happening for many many years on the European networks?

Chicagojoey has almost openly admitted to doing exactly this since Black Friday, you can almost bet your life any US based "ex" online poker pro will have done or at least still doing exactly the same. Is this ethical? Why isn't there threads on 2p2 if not? It's cheating the genuine poker players on ipoker who probably (at one point) assumed guys like chicagojoey and Hastings aren't behind the accounts because of their location in the US.

Multiaccounting is scummy but what can you do, whenever there's money involved there will always be people trying to gain edges to maximise their income. This kinda thing doesn't just happen in poker, it's like every other profession, it's a dog eat dog world and sometimes the most straight up guys get ****ed over. It always comes down to what means more to you, the money or the reputation.

You can hate on stinger but who actually can blame him for doing what he has? Being an upstanding guy in the poker community isn't going to put food on the table.
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06-26-2015 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by elgrindo
Brian Hastings ‏@brianchastings · 22h22 hours ago
.@Haley_Hintze do you even believe half the stuff you wrote? What a piece of garbage. Several outright factual inaccuracies, for starters.
apparently stinger took offense to the reporter using glantz's name as someone who called him out. i read the situation exactly as he/she did:

Brian Hastings ‏@brianchastings
If you are depressed and need someone to talk to, please get in touch with me. I want to help. It will get better.

Reply
Matt Glantz ‏@MattGlantz
@brianchastings How about u get in touch w every player on the other side of ur hand histories this summer. That would be a good start.

but this was the actual context:

Mike Carlson ✌ ‏@MJCACE
@Haley_Hintze @brianchastings @MattGlantz n live poker hand histories exist, & joke was the ppl on other end of em would b depressed #ithink

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Matt Glantz ‏@MattGlantz
@MJCACE @Haley_Hintze @brianchastings exactly the case.

Brian hasn't been taking it well, and is acting exactly how you would expect...

Haley Hintze ‏@Haley_Hintze
@MattGlantz @brianchastings Ok, cool, Matt. Thx for clarifying. It could be read the other way out of context, but I'll pull that sentence

Brian Hastings
‏@brianchastings
@Haley_Hintze @MattGlantz no, you just don't read very well. And then act all high and mighty and like you know everything. Go away.

Brian Hastings ‏@brianchastings
@Haley_Hintze @MattGlantz @MJCACE as a journalist it's your responsibility to figure out context before posting.
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06-26-2015 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by partywme
Everyone goes bat **** crazy when people get caught multiaccounting/using a VPN on sites such as stars and FTP. Has anyone thought about how frequently this happens/has been happening for many many years on the European networks?

Chicagojoey has almost openly admitted to doing exactly this since Black Friday, you can almost bet your life any US based "ex" online poker pro will have done or at least still doing exactly the same. Is this ethical? Why isn't there threads on 2p2 if not? It's cheating the genuine poker players on ipoker who probably (at one point) assumed guys like chicagojoey and Hastings aren't behind the accounts because of their location in the US.

Multiaccounting is scummy but what can you do, whenever there's money involved there will always be people trying to gain edges to maximise their income. This kinda thing doesn't just happen in poker, it's like every other profession, it's a dog eat dog world and sometimes the most straight up guys get ****ed over. It always comes down to what means more to you, the money or the reputation.

You can hate on stinger but who actually can blame him for doing what he has? Being an upstanding guy in the poker community isn't going to put food on the table.
yo man. too far!
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06-26-2015 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by elgrindo
Brian Hastings ‏@brianchastings · 22h22 hours ago
.@Haley_Hintze do you even believe half the stuff you wrote? What a piece of garbage. Several outright factual inaccuracies, for starters.
Brian and I chatted again last night long after he Tweeted again, sometimes heated, sometimes civilly. To clarify, there were a couple of background things in the original story that were wrong, but were fixed soon after, like Townsend being the only one of the three who got an -official- wrist-slap from Tilt. Hastings has said he will read the updated version some time today and get back to me, but he's on another deep WSOP run, I guess.

Besides, I sort of expect people to vent when news such as this story emerges. It's part of what the gig entails, and the pushback comes with the territory.

We also had a dispute over a since-pulled Matt Glantz Tweet referencing "hand histories," which Matt later said was more of an inside joke, and not referring to online play like a lot of people reading it at face value would think. (Yes, one can have hand histories relative to live play, but it's really an online term.)

I'd already pulled the Glantz quote anyhow; Matt's line was just window dressing and in reviewing it it didn't add anything to the story. The overall piece has been unchanged since early yesterday afternoon my time and I don't think there's anything in there that still needs tweaking.

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I see someone has already put up more of that exchange, and that part of it has more or less been put to bed. Brian thought that was one of the "factual inaccuracies," and I said, no that was a very reasonable (but later declared by Glantz to be wrong) interpretation. And there's no doubt I was getting pissed off too at that point.

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