So basically, he thinks it's ok because he tried to tell the other respected high stakes pros who he was? And shame on any of them for outing him and disgracing poker? But **** the recreational players, fishes, shot takers, or lesser known pros who didn't know who was on the NoelHayes account?

Real classy.

I don't play a lot online, so I don't know the commonly accepted ethics of using a VPN. Obviously, it violates the sites' TOS, but as far as I know it provides no advantage over other players. But multi accounting is messed up, ESPECIALLY as a well known high-stakes player with reads on a bunch of villains and known reads on him. Shaming those who outed him is a disgrace.

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I do remember all those random accounts on stars at PLO that were crushing the games.. Like the barcode account and eireabu to name a few.. Never found out who they really were??

ChicagoJoey may also want to take note. that video... wow.



i guess it is what it is because that's the way things are?

weak. disappointed in joezs stance on this

Damn only watched some of joey's video... quite disappointing hearing him also trying to rationalize/justify it. Pathetic.

One more troubling aspect of this situation:

Two nights ago, Hastings, out of the clear blue sky, posted a link to another poker player talking about depression and then offered to pm/talk to anyone who needed help/advice etc. As someone who already considered Hastings a cheater and a liar, it briefly made me think he might not be as bad a guy as I thought.

Less than a day later, it appears pretty clear that these depression tweets were part of another scheme to try to use that as a (weak) excuse for his behavior. Sure enough, it pops right up in the PM to Baker.

Disgusting.

I think it's likely this is precisely what was going on.

Depressing post

Wheres this 'pm to baker' i wanna see

as amusing as it would be to see casino lobbyists chomping this story on CNN...this is def pretty bad for online poker =(

Completely agree about stars having deflected their "due diligence" but remember (and this is very wrong imo) that pokerstars is a ruthless business that cares only for their bottom line i.e "stopping this MAing at high stakes hurts thier rake ev, that in turn affects their bottom line" everything they do is to grow their company. They don't give a bollox about the players or the poker community short of letting us play on their platform and to grow their business. A little off the main topic I know but something worth looking at because the real problem is stars letting this happen and if we want to get to the root of it as a poker community then we need to start voting with our feet and voicing these things instead if been scared. Also, Hastings is completely deluded and shows no remorse, I for one think if this is eventually spewt under the rug it will only continue to happen!!

Playing poker for real money online in the USA is not illegal, especially in California where Stinger is from...it's just against the TOS of PokerStars, a site under the microscope of the DOJ.

PokerStars offers real money games to US residents now by obfuscating them through play chips sold for cash. The UIGEA is fairly narrow in scope, but it does make financial transactions for real money a big deal. If you are just playing, and only cashing out to foreign financial institutions, then you are in the clear.

I said he was playing online via a VPN on an account that isn't his. Tell me what's not illegal about that?

...Everything?

Former 888 pro Darren Woods got 15 months - charges included multi-accounting.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...nting-1482090/

If there were UK resident players involved in this case (and my understanding is that many of the high stakes pros live in London) then Hastings would be well advised never to travel to Europe again for the rest of his life.

Personally I would be surprised if the route for deposits and cash outs was this random Irish guy. Much more likely that there were player-to-player transfers so anyone involved with that needs to work out what they are going to do.

My personal view though it's hard to have sympathy for people who were playing him because they had the fastest-working bum-hunting software sitting them next to any unknown. SN changes should be allowed every month or something like on Unibet (where ironically Isildur streams twitch).

Cmon cmon this guy is a huge winner, he's angry because he felt cheated not because he lost. Brian pretending to be a well known whale and used it to trick people into giving him action, a lot of action he subsequently would not have got. Surely you can see that man

If it wasn't for that misdeal..

Stinger currently second in chips in the dealer's choice event with 132 left. I am hoping he makes a deep run, not for BH, but for the inevitable ****storm and added attention.

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Very different to buy an account which is a hs loser/considered a spot or make a brand new one. The bleznick factor is always considered when playing a new name. Meaning you dont assume a bunch of crap before you seen said crap happen. But with bought accounts you wouldnt know until a while in somethings off

Glad to see you posting on this Thay3r, much respect man. It's a rarety that well known High stakes players will come and voice their opinion. If their were more people like you in our community it'd be a much better place! Do you think it's too drastic if we(all community) shun Hastings from the poker world or stupid/neglegent if we don't?

you sat and watched that for an hour and a half? cliffs please.

eh, i don't wan't to derail this thread, but i been going over this hand for a while now given a top player like BS posted it, and i just don't get it. Don't get the play nor the thinking behind it nor reason he posted this hand in particular ITT

BERRI or anyone wanna explain?

Yeah that's true, the money they lost alone playing him thinking he's a whale is substantial. The fact hastngs can use HH/notes/reads, without the other players being able to use their database of info on him is nuts. Its just mindboggling to think that he thinks it's ok, it's got to up their with sone on the worst ethics Iv ever witnessed in poker. And to the players/people who have sided with the thinking it's "not all that bad" really needed to dip thier head in a bucket of ice water and take a long look in the mirror until they snap out of it!!! Not alone did he steal equity (money) from the cash games he had the audasity to come steal ev from the mtt community aswell, this guy just took a giant **** all off the poker community!!

Quite possible, did Hastings attend PCA?

I think the question should be how many accounts he did Multi-Account pokerstars with after black friday. He clearly did it this year with at least the NoelHayes account.