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Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post. Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post.

06-26-2015 , 12:03 AM
I love that Hastings is making himself out to be the victim in that PM, like he has been so wronged.
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06-26-2015 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
Pokerstars dorsnt accept anything. Id imagine a really good vpn isnt that easy to detect.
Do you disagree with post #175?
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06-26-2015 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by murph8788
I can't tell if you don't know the difference between illegal insider trading and the legal "insider trading" when insiders (CEO's employees etc) buy stock in their own company. They use the same term for totally different concepts if you weren't aware. Someone help me out here and let this guy know he's off.

Also please send me article or whatever where a building exploding would be insider trading please
That story is pretty old, it was an example given by the SEC either in a court case or another venue like two decades ago, but was not an actual case.

But just google SEC overreach and you'll get the other side of the story and why all insider trading isn't illegal and even much of what the SEC claims is illegal may not be.

For example, if a doctor helping perform a medical study asks a company rep how it's going and the rep ecstatically says "better than we ever expected, the drug is far more beneficial than we knew and the study will probably end early". The doctor rushes to the phone and buys their stock from his broker, a few weeks later the company announces the study ended early and the drug is going to be approved and the stock price shoots up.

1) Did the rep commit insider trading? He had a kind of "fiduciary responsibilty" to not share material non-public information. Did he violate it? He never told the doctor to buy stock and his job was to talk with doctors about the study.

2) Did the doctor commit insider trading? He didn't work for the company, didn't sign any agreement about stock trading, he had no "fiduciary duty" to protect the information. He had no firm information about the drug, it turned out to be true but could have been a low level rep talking out his ass.

The SEC will try to get the Doctor to agree to "disgorge" his "ill gotten earnings" because when it takes cases like this to court, it's track record isn't good. The court will want the SEC to establish the information was "material", i.e. had a significant effect on companies value, that it was "non-public", and whether the doctor owed a duty to the company not to act on the information.

It's not trivial to prove all three to the satisfaction of many judges, especially the last one.
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06-26-2015 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 5=2+2
I would have a hunch that Sauce has always been 100% straight. Probably Ike too and many more. I can also honestly say I have never angle shot either, but I'm not a big name. A lot of people actually are honest.

+1 and I also think Imalucksac (Kevin) has been 100% straight. I think most people that play poker are.

With that said, there seems probable that Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, Amarillo Slim, and Stu Ungar shot angles, soft played people they shared bankrolls, or even out right cheated doesn't surprise me.
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06-26-2015 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BERRI SWEET
I play as BERRI SWEET on stars. The biggest winner in the world against me this year is NoelHayes. I was always playing him under the assumption that he was someone other than Brian Hastings. Here are two hands, that sprung to mind, that I would have played very differently, had I known it was Brian I was playing.

PokerStars Hand #134777285081: Omaha Pot Limit ($200/$400 USD) - 2015/05/04 23:16:27 CET [2015/05/04 17:16:27 ET]
Table 'Juewa III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Sauce123 ($85689.68 in chips)
Seat 2: tr1cky7 ($45188.25 in chips)
Seat 3: JayP-AA ($73806.55 in chips)
Seat 4: BERRI SWEET ($96972.54 in chips)
Seat 5: NoelHayes ($60780.86 in chips)
tr1cky7: posts small blind $200
JayP-AA: posts big blind $400
Ben86: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BERRI SWEET [Qc Kc 7h Jh]
BERRI SWEET: raises $1000 to $1400
NoelHayes: raises $3400 to $4800
Sauce123: folds
tr1cky7: folds
JayP-AA: folds
BERRI SWEET: calls $3400
*** FLOP *** [2s Ah Jd]
BERRI SWEET: checks
NoelHayes: bets $4078
BERRI SWEET: calls $4078
*** TURN *** [2s Ah Jd] [Qd]
BERRI SWEET: checks
NoelHayes: checks
*** RIVER *** [2s Ah Jd Qd] [Qs]
BERRI SWEET: checks
NoelHayes: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BERRI SWEET: shows [Qc Kc 7h Jh] (a full house, Queens full of Jacks)
NoelHayes: mucks hand
BERRI SWEET collected $18351 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18356 | Rake $5
Board [2s Ah Jd Qd Qs]
Seat 1: Sauce123 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tr1cky7 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: JayP-AA (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: BERRI SWEET showed [Qc Kc 7h Jh] and won ($18351) with a full house, Queens full of Jacks
Seat 5: NoelHayes mucked [6c Qh Kh 9c]

Clear valuebet against Brian Hastings. Close, but I decided to check with my(very limited) reads on NoelHayes at the time. Brian would have called almost 100% of the time with his particular hand.

PokerStars Hand #134781723505: Omaha Pot Limit ($200/$400 USD) - 2015/05/05 0:41:36 CET [2015/05/04 18:41:36 ET]
Table 'Juewa III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Sauce123 ($62447.14 in chips)
Seat 3: JayP-AA ($129784.28 in chips)
Seat 4: BERRI SWEET ($120621.95 in chips)
Seat 5: NoelHayes ($44200.27 in chips)
Seat 6: Ben86 ($35182.02 in chips)
NoelHayes: posts small blind $200
Ben86: posts big blind $400
tr1cky7: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BERRI SWEET [5c Jh 6s 6c]
Sauce123: folds
JayP-AA: folds
BERRI SWEET: raises $400 to $800
NoelHayes: raises $2000 to $2800
Ben86: folds
BERRI SWEET: calls $2000
*** FLOP *** [8s 2h Ad]
NoelHayes: bets $2398
BERRI SWEET: raises $5748.78 to $8146.78
NoelHayes: raises $8253.22 to $16400
BERRI SWEET: raises $8253.22 to $24653.22
NoelHayes: raises $16747.05 to $41400.27 and is all-in
BERRI SWEET: folds
Uncalled bet ($16747.05) returned to NoelHayes
NoelHayes collected $55301.44 from pot
NoelHayes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $55306.44 | Rake $5
Board [8s 2h Ad]
Seat 1: Sauce123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: JayP-AA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BERRI SWEET (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: NoelHayes (small blind) collected ($55301.44)
Seat 6: Ben86 (big blind) folded before Flop

Maybe I would have still raised the flop had I known I was playing Brian Hastings. Maybe not. I would definitely not have 4bet the flop if I knew it was him.

In these two pots alone, I lost roughly 30k more than I would have done if I had known it was Brian. There are a lot more(albeit usually smaller) pots like this, where I made erroneus assumptions because of the presented misinformation, and lost a lot of equity and money as well.

I wanted to chime in and underline the massive effects that cheating in this manner can have on the other players in the game.

I do believe that Brian owes me(and others) a lot more than just an apology.
If a live player changes appearance, would you consider that cheating? Say you are playing Bruce Jenner one day and then next day Caitlyn Jennfer shows up...
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06-26-2015 , 12:16 AM
As if this has any effect on the legalization or not of poker in the USA. Lmao what a scum titty flopper.
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06-26-2015 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by KB24
If a live player changes appearance, would you consider that cheating? Say you are playing Bruce Jenner one day and then next day Caitlyn Jennfer shows up...
Or Phil Laak in an old man costume.
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06-26-2015 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamie Platinum
I have no business muddying the waters but that PM is more pitiful than the actually offense, in my opinion. He could have replied with "I get money" and came across a hell of a lot better.
So This. +1
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06-26-2015 , 12:25 AM


Can I Live? -Victim
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06-26-2015 , 12:27 AM
Flights from Florida to Cancun where you can play legally under your own name costs less than 200 bucks and under 2 hrs. Bla bla bla family gf.
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06-26-2015 , 12:28 AM


"You dirty dog Hastings!"
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06-26-2015 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by StaYSMacKed
Oh the irony when his girlfriend cheats on him soon...
'I was multi-accounting!'
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06-26-2015 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
That story is pretty old, it was an example given by the SEC either in a court case or another venue like two decades ago, but was not an actual case.

But just google SEC overreach and you'll get the other side of the story and why all insider trading isn't illegal and even much of what the SEC claims is illegal may not be.

For example, if a doctor helping perform a medical study asks a company rep how it's going and the rep ecstatically says "better than we ever expected, the drug is far more beneficial than we knew and the study will probably end early". The doctor rushes to the phone and buys their stock from his broker, a few weeks later the company announces the study ended early and the drug is going to be approved and the stock price shoots up.

1) Did the rep commit insider trading? He had a kind of "fiduciary responsibilty" to not share material non-public information. Did he violate it? He never told the doctor to buy stock and his job was to talk with doctors about the study.

2) Did the doctor commit insider trading? He didn't work for the company, didn't sign any agreement about stock trading, he had no "fiduciary duty" to protect the information. He had no firm information about the drug, it turned out to be true but could have been a low level rep talking out his ass.

The SEC will try to get the Doctor to agree to "disgorge" his "ill gotten earnings" because when it takes cases like this to court, it's track record isn't good. The court will want the SEC to establish the information was "material", i.e. had a significant effect on companies value, that it was "non-public", and whether the doctor owed a duty to the company not to act on the information.

It's not trivial to prove all three to the satisfaction of many judges, especially the last one.
Dude I'm not talking about all the little intricacies of insider trading cases that go through years of appeals courts looking at every detail to determine intent etc. We're not lawyers here. And no one says someone committed insider trading but they're not guilty. It's only considered insider trading once they are found guilty. But anyways I am talking about what anyone in the world would think of when they hear insider trading. The kind where someone has first quarter results in their hand before they are published and trades on them. My point is in both these cases ( poker and finance) people cheat to gain advantages over competition. It's a very good analogy
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06-26-2015 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BERRI SWEET
If the punishment for cheaters were to pay the EV they gained for MA'ing, they would esentially be freerolling the inherent advantages of doing so.

If player A multiaccounts and wins $1000 from player B, what would be the appropriate action from stars if they found out, in your opinion? Handing back the supposed equity that player B lost beacause of the fact that player A was cheating?
sure, agree with this completely about free rolling and I wasn't really talking about what his punishment should be.
although if you were up say 100k against him it's not clear what should happen either (probably nothing/much will happen, whether something should or not is a different great question)
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06-26-2015 , 12:36 AM
Stars ipoker hearing going on in cali this summer may have a couple extra questions now. Heard on the PNPOD there's another one in a couple weeks.
Not surprised they are taking a while to respond.
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06-26-2015 , 12:40 AM
With all the cash he made from Isildur he can afford to fly anywhere he wants and play online poker. He did not need to VPN and use a fake account. So many excuses.
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06-26-2015 , 12:42 AM
That PM is awful. This guy is scum. I just drove 4 hours (sick traffic obv.) back from Rosarito to LA. I only grinded like 12 tourneys on Pokerstars. This guy couldn't leave the country because he got depressed when he wasn't near his Mommy? wTF? So he VPN's and MA's on Stars?? GTFO!! Ships two bracelets? He Needs to ship a salad and a gym membership!! Now he cries that we are taking the Attention away from the WSOP? Omg. I hope I don't see him at the Rio next week. I might go off!

Out.
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06-26-2015 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by fivetypes

The whole, omg keep it quiet im Brain Hastings and you could RUIN poker by ruining my rep is almost the funniest delusion i've seen over the years on 2+2. And there have been some whoppers!
ROFL
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06-26-2015 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by elgrindo
This was such a bizarre video. Basically just saying everyone does this
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06-26-2015 , 12:54 AM
I hate Brian Hastings so ****ing much, since 2009. As someone said, it's +EV to be unethical in this industry actually, but it should not be. There must be severe punishment for these crimes.
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06-26-2015 , 12:57 AM


Einhorn is a man!!!
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06-26-2015 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by joggle0
Stars ipoker hearing going on in cali this summer may have a couple extra questions now. Heard on the PNPOD there's another one in a couple weeks.
Not surprised they are taking a while to respond.
I listened to the CA state assembly informational hearing yesterday afternoon and yes, this I will be shocked if this specific situation isn't brought up and there is much discussion and probably clauses added to any potential bill. I could see it going several ways, and my biggest fear is that this could be the nail in the coffin for US regulated Ipoker. I listened to Joey's podcast about it today, I agree with him in almost all areas and am also saddened by the situation but for different, selfish, personal reasons. I feel bad for the community as a whole also.

The Indian tribes in CA will most likely hear of this and use it as "proof" it can't be regulated and then those in favor will have to answer.

Assuming we can get through that and the rest of the major hurdles, there is then the question of how to handle BH and others in similar situation. Theoretically speaking, if the company(s) that were victims of MA's and VPN's weren't able to prevent it how will they in the US(sure cell triangulation and such but still, this is super bad press for us, not to mention scary as a player). Being that it's not illegal to play from the US BH didn't really break any laws just hustled a bunch of people and offshore gaming sites.

Cliffs - If Stars couldn't prevent this from happening how are they or anybody else going to get regulated..I think BH's business and rake, taxes will be quite welcome and appreciated on regulated sites by said sites and the govt. Not trying to to derail this into a ipoker regulation in the US direction but I'm very on top of CA and the varying factions, arguments for and against it, where the lobbying $ and clout is etc and I think this is VERY bad. Regulation in CA is a longshot anyway and I'd be interested to other states like PA and NY(states without indian gaming) handle this news.

Hopefully that makes sense, sorry for my lack of ability to communicate better.
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06-26-2015 , 01:03 AM
Great, now Hastings ruined poker for all of America.

I'm not even being sarcastic.
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06-26-2015 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Great, now Hastings ruined poker for all of America.

I'm not even being sarcastic.
well it's a long shot anyway but this sure didn't help IMO. Something else I just thought of that could help regulation would be if he reported and paid taxes on all the winnings!

not implying he didn't or hasn't etc, just that the govt likes collecting taxes is all
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06-26-2015 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Great, now Hastings ruined poker for all of America.

I'm not even being sarcastic.

True story! He can't even keep to Cheater ethics which is Deny Deny Deny wtf?? He admitted it?? What a Tool!
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