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Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post. Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes" Cliffs in first post.

06-25-2015 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RickySteve
I wonder how Amaya shareholders might feel about PokerStars tacitly accepting play from inside the USA in violation of the law.
Pokerstars dorsnt accept anything. Id imagine a really good vpn isnt that easy to detect.

That being said if an irish semi fish starts playing sky stakes out if nowhere id expect them to review such an account in depth and do their ****ing due diligence.

Which once again (same with teh russian botring) didnt seem to happen fast enuff/at all
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06-25-2015 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BERRI SWEET
I play as BERRI SWEET on stars. The biggest winner in the world against me this year is NoelHayes. I was always playing him under the assumption that he was someone other than Brian Hastings. Here are two hands, that sprung to mind, that I would have played very differently, had I known it was Brian I was playing.

    Poker Stars, $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36898001

    Sauce123 (BTN): $85,689.68 (214.2 bb)
    tr1cky7 (SB): $45,188.25 (113 bb)
    JayP-AA (BB): $73,806.55 (184.5 bb)
    Hero (MP): $96,972.54 (242.4 bb)
    NoelHayes (CO): $60,780.86 (152 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q K 7 J
    Hero raises to $1,400, NoelHayes raises to $4,800, 3 folds, Hero calls $3,400

    Flop: ($10,200) 2 A J (2 players)
    Hero checks, NoelHayes bets $4,078, Hero calls $4,078

    Turn: ($18,356) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, NoelHayes checks

    River: ($18,356) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, NoelHayes checks

    Results: $18,356 pot ($5 rake)
    Final Board: 2 A J Q Q
    Hero showed Q K 7 J and won $18,351 ($9,473 net)
    NoelHayes mucked 6 Q K 9 and lost (-$8,878 net)



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    Clear valuebet against Brian Hastings. Close, but I decided to check with my(very limited) reads on NoelHayes at the time. Brian would have called almost 100% of the time with his particular hand.

      Poker Stars, $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36898021

      Sauce123 (MP): $62,447.14 (156.1 bb)
      JayP-AA (CO): $129,784.28 (324.5 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $120,621.95 (301.6 bb)
      NoelHayes (SB): $44,200.27 (110.5 bb)
      Ben86 (BB): $35,182.02 (88 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 J 6 6
      2 folds, Hero raises to $800, NoelHayes raises to $2,800, Ben86 folds, Hero calls $2,000

      Flop: ($6,000) 8 2 A (2 players)
      NoelHayes bets $2,398, Hero raises to $8,146.78, NoelHayes raises to $16,400, Hero raises to $24,653.22, NoelHayes raises to $41,400.27, Hero folds

      Results: $55,306.44 pot ($5 rake)
      Final Board: 8 2 A
      Hero mucked 5 J 6 6 and lost (-$27,453.22 net)
      NoelHayes mucked and won $55,301.44 ($27,848.22 net)



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      Maybe I would have still raised the flop had I known I was playing Brian Hastings. Maybe not. I would definitely not have 4bet the flop if I knew it was him.

      In these two pots alone, I lost roughly 30k more than I would have done if I had known it was Brian. There are a lot more(albeit usually smaller) pots like this, where I made erroneus assumptions because of the presented misinformation, and lost a lot of equity and money as well.

      I wanted to chime in and underline the massive effects that cheating in this manner can have on the other players in the game.

      I do believe that Brian owes me(and others) a lot more than just an apology.
      fixed.
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by BERRI SWEET
      Also, if someone can tell Joe Ingram to respond to me on skype, that would be greatly appreciated.
      oh, don't worry! he's monitoring this thread closely.

      Last edited by MastaAces; 06-25-2015 at 08:31 PM.
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      06-25-2015 , 08:28 PM
      So bad.

      Thanks for posting, BERRI.
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      06-25-2015 , 08:44 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by MastaAces
      fixed.

      oh, don't worry! he's monitoring this thread closely.
      lol everyone in poker is shady. Even joeingram1 is. He was aware of what was going on for a while and let a lot of people get screwed over just like berrisweet did. Pretty clear just about nobody in poker can be trusted.
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      06-25-2015 , 08:49 PM
      I mean it's about the EV it cost you not the actual results. for example you could have done something different thinking it was someone else which by chance gained you money (EV and money being not mutually exclusive here). not defending but think in these spots people say the full amount too much and it tends to be an exaggeration.
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      06-25-2015 , 08:50 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by xdr0opyx
      lol everyone in poker is shady. Even joeingram1 is. He was aware of what was going on for a while and let a lot of people get screwed over just like berrisweet did. Pretty clear just about nobody in poker can be trusted.
      Receipts?

      If you're going to make slanderous allegations like this you should back it up with some proof.

      Joey can't be help responsible for every one of his guests actions. This happened with starsregproblems and now hastings. How exactly is it his fault?
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      06-25-2015 , 08:55 PM
      Wait, so we not yet allowed to speculate if Jason Mercier was in the know on this?

      It is blatantly obvious that he was.

      Question for Jason Mercier, do you think it was OK for you to be privy to the real identity of Noel Hayes while others seated at the same game as you were not?
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      06-25-2015 , 08:55 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Jamsym2
      Receipts?

      If you're going to make slanderous allegations like this you should back it up with some proof.

      Joey can't be help responsible for every one of his guests actions. This happened with starsregproblems and now hastings. How exactly is it his fault?
      Totally different scenario, agree posting receipts tho
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      06-25-2015 , 08:55 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by MastaAces


      watch 27:30-28:35.
      Lol at lolling. Also pretty weird to do a podcast and talk about improving at mixed games etc when you're playing under a different account trough vpn
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      06-25-2015 , 08:58 PM
      Well I for one find it very funny all of hastings fanboys are so quiet right now. He cheated ones again and now he won't get away with it. All the players that have lost money playing against him, should get every penny back from Hastings. On top of that, I hope the big bad USA goes after him aswel, as he did play online poker in the USA which is illegal and on an account that wasn't his.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:01 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
      I mean it's about the EV it cost you not the actual results. for example you could have done something different thinking it was someone else which by chance gained you money (EV and money being not mutually exclusive here). not defending but think in these spots people say the full amount too much and it tends to be an exaggeration.
      This is correct and its difficult/impossible to rectify.

      IE. noelhayes account opens, diff reg 3 bets. You may have the opinion noel opens too wide so the reg is 3betting wider and therefor decide to call/4bet a hand diff than normal.

      Or you may have the opinion the noelhayes account opens too tight so you give more respect to the regs 3 bet of his already tight range.

      Or Noelhayes cbets and you think he cbets too wide so bluff raise. Or another reg raises his cbet and you decide he can do this lighter because of that so reraise the other regs raise.

      Or he cbets too loose and the opposite blah blah.

      Add into the mix the people that wouldn't have even been in the games without thinking the NoelHayes account was some rich guy with no previous highstakes experience and that's why the whole thing becomes a massive mess.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:06 PM
      If he hasn't already, Hastings probably getting his money off stars as fast as he can right now.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:08 PM
      Makes you wonder how many of the other known guys multi-account and VPN. Also, now how many of his boy's will now continue to defend him and or have his back...? Didn't Brian Townsend get busted for mulch-accounting too?

      Maybe Joey Ingram can have him on the podcast again. I assume Joey knows all about VPN'ing and what Hastings was actually doing just by his reaction in that video. Maybe he is also doing it himself?

      Last edited by GutPunch; 06-25-2015 at 09:13 PM.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:16 PM
      Oh well. If joey knew his reaction in the video was pretty disrespectful with the players that did not know.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:22 PM
      The Stars FAQ on multi-accounting and account-sharing is pretty clear...

      ...but it must be pretty hard to prove it happened if the action was done via VPN and/or screen-sharing.

      Enquiring minds still have a question:


      Since Stars doesn't comment publicly on things like this, has anyone tried transferring 2 cents to the NoelHayes account to see if it's been frozen?
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      06-25-2015 , 09:28 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by gausspoker
      Oh well. If joey knew his reaction in the video was pretty disrespectful with the players that did not know.
      I told him I didn't want to know about it if it was him. Obviously a lot of people were talking about it online. There are many other players still very active in the high stakes world who knew way more about it than I did.

      I'm not sure what people would expect me to do if I had known for sure.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:28 PM
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      OMGClayDol
      Re: Brian "Stinger88" Hastings Multi-Accounting as "NoelHayes"
      I mean it's about the EV it cost you not the actual results. for example you could have done something different thinking it was someone else which by chance gained you money (EV and money being not mutually exclusive here). not defending but think in these spots people say the full amount too much and it tends to be an exaggeration.
      If the punishment for cheaters were to pay the EV they gained for MA'ing, they would esentially be freerolling the inherent advantages of doing so.

      If player A multiaccounts and wins $1000 from player B, what would be the appropriate action from stars if they found out, in your opinion? Handing back the supposed equity that player B lost beacause of the fact that player A was cheating?
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      06-25-2015 , 09:30 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by GutPunch
      Makes you wonder how many of the other known guys multi-account and VPN. Also, now how many of his boy's will now continue to defend him and or have his back...? Didn't Brian Townsend get busted for mulch-accounting too?

      Maybe Joey Ingram can have him on the podcast again. I assume Joey knows all about VPN'ing and what Hastings was actually doing just by his reaction in that video. Maybe he is also doing it himself?
      He isnt exactly keeping it a secret on his podcasts. There are a ton of (american) vpners on 888/party/ipoker fwiw.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:31 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by TimStone
      Pokerstars dorsnt accept anything. Id imagine a really good vpn isnt that easy to detect.

      That being said if an irish semi fish starts playing sky stakes out if nowhere id expect them to review such an account in depth and do their ****ing due diligence.

      Which once again (same with teh russian botring) didnt seem to happen fast enuff/at all
      And yet in that vid someone posted ITT they claimed to have 80 people working on detecting cheating.

      Da fuq are those 80 people actually doing all day??
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      06-25-2015 , 09:31 PM
      All i can say is BH, people you really don't want to upset is very unhappy with you right now. Regardless of what your simple brain can compute this is not only a game but also big business. If you cheat and get caught...well, you pay the price. You're not the only one investing in other players you know.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:35 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by BERRI SWEET
      I play as BERRI SWEET on stars. The biggest winner in the world against me this year is NoelHayes. I was always playing him under the assumption that he was someone other than Brian Hastings. Here are two hands, that sprung to mind, that I would have played very differently, had I known it was Brian I was playing.

      PokerStars Hand #134777285081: Omaha Pot Limit ($200/$400 USD) - 2015/05/04 23:16:27 CET [2015/05/04 17:16:27 ET]
      Table 'Juewa III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: Sauce123 ($85689.68 in chips)
      Seat 2: tr1cky7 ($45188.25 in chips)
      Seat 3: JayP-AA ($73806.55 in chips)
      Seat 4: BERRI SWEET ($96972.54 in chips)
      Seat 5: NoelHayes ($60780.86 in chips)
      tr1cky7: posts small blind $200
      JayP-AA: posts big blind $400
      Ben86: sits out
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to BERRI SWEET [Qc Kc 7h Jh]
      BERRI SWEET: raises $1000 to $1400
      NoelHayes: raises $3400 to $4800
      Sauce123: folds
      tr1cky7: folds
      JayP-AA: folds
      BERRI SWEET: calls $3400
      *** FLOP *** [2s Ah Jd]
      BERRI SWEET: checks
      NoelHayes: bets $4078
      BERRI SWEET: calls $4078
      *** TURN *** [2s Ah Jd] [Qd]
      BERRI SWEET: checks
      NoelHayes: checks
      *** RIVER *** [2s Ah Jd Qd] [Qs]
      BERRI SWEET: checks
      NoelHayes: checks
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      BERRI SWEET: shows [Qc Kc 7h Jh] (a full house, Queens full of Jacks)
      NoelHayes: mucks hand
      BERRI SWEET collected $18351 from pot
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot $18356 | Rake $5
      Board [2s Ah Jd Qd Qs]
      Seat 1: Sauce123 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 2: tr1cky7 (small blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 3: JayP-AA (big blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 4: BERRI SWEET showed [Qc Kc 7h Jh] and won ($18351) with a full house, Queens full of Jacks
      Seat 5: NoelHayes mucked [6c Qh Kh 9c]

      Clear valuebet against Brian Hastings. Close, but I decided to check with my(very limited) reads on NoelHayes at the time. Brian would have called almost 100% of the time with his particular hand.

      PokerStars Hand #134781723505: Omaha Pot Limit ($200/$400 USD) - 2015/05/05 0:41:36 CET [2015/05/04 18:41:36 ET]
      Table 'Juewa III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
      Seat 1: Sauce123 ($62447.14 in chips)
      Seat 3: JayP-AA ($129784.28 in chips)
      Seat 4: BERRI SWEET ($120621.95 in chips)
      Seat 5: NoelHayes ($44200.27 in chips)
      Seat 6: Ben86 ($35182.02 in chips)
      NoelHayes: posts small blind $200
      Ben86: posts big blind $400
      tr1cky7: sits out
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to BERRI SWEET [5c Jh 6s 6c]
      Sauce123: folds
      JayP-AA: folds
      BERRI SWEET: raises $400 to $800
      NoelHayes: raises $2000 to $2800
      Ben86: folds
      BERRI SWEET: calls $2000
      *** FLOP *** [8s 2h Ad]
      NoelHayes: bets $2398
      BERRI SWEET: raises $5748.78 to $8146.78
      NoelHayes: raises $8253.22 to $16400
      BERRI SWEET: raises $8253.22 to $24653.22
      NoelHayes: raises $16747.05 to $41400.27 and is all-in
      BERRI SWEET: folds
      Uncalled bet ($16747.05) returned to NoelHayes
      NoelHayes collected $55301.44 from pot
      NoelHayes: doesn't show hand
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot $55306.44 | Rake $5
      Board [8s 2h Ad]
      Seat 1: Sauce123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 3: JayP-AA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 4: BERRI SWEET (button) folded on the Flop
      Seat 5: NoelHayes (small blind) collected ($55301.44)
      Seat 6: Ben86 (big blind) folded before Flop

      Maybe I would have still raised the flop had I known I was playing Brian Hastings. Maybe not. I would definitely not have 4bet the flop if I knew it was him.

      In these two pots alone, I lost roughly 30k more than I would have done if I had known it was Brian. There are a lot more(albeit usually smaller) pots like this, where I made erroneus assumptions because of the presented misinformation, and lost a lot of equity and money as well.

      I wanted to chime in and underline the massive effects that cheating in this manner can have on the other players in the game.

      I do believe that Brian owes me(and others) a lot more than just an apology.
      If only you came on the podcast early in the year you could have gotten some podcast run good in these spots
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      06-25-2015 , 09:39 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by 8-Game
      All i can say is BH, people you really don't want to upset is very unhappy with you right now. Regardless of what your simple brain can compute this is not only a game but also big business. If you cheat and get caught...well, you pay the price. You're not the only one investing in other players you know.
      Junglemans hitman ITT
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      06-25-2015 , 09:40 PM
      and we talk of online poker dying mainly cash games and people wonder, its the rake ect ect...

      more like its shady ****ing things like this happening, puts people off even moving up. stops alot of guys who would probably play cash games that they win from mtts off from playing, brian ur response is a joke btw .. goodluck to those affected.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:43 PM
      So the supposed "nicest guy in poker" is actually a giant douche. What a twist.
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      06-25-2015 , 09:46 PM
      Oh the irony when his girlfriend cheats on him soon...
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