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06-25-2015 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hotmark777
But let me also add: if you think other old timers like the dang brothers, Jared douchebag, durrrr, etc have completely quit internet poker and are not MA I would be highly surprised
Pretty sure the Dangs left poker a while ago and run a restaurant now.
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06-25-2015 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by xalas
If you played high stakes and jungmit became known as a top level pro, than jungmit decided to play under whatsinaname, yes that's a problem your real life name doesn't have to be known, now if you decided to play live at casinos and nobody knew who jungmit was in real life that's fair because it applies to everyone, yes there are people who willing let it be known thier online screen name but that was their choice. as far as the VPN stuff that a separate issue and is a bit of a red herring the real problem is the multi-accounting.
Ok say I played live everyday and a few times I decided to show up with a disguise. Mask, hat, fake beard etccc and I played. Would this be like multi accounts? Would it an unfair advantage if I didn't tell anyone it was me?
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06-25-2015 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hotmark777
Exactly the same. I believe I played in a 400/800 game with him in it. To be honest I had seen him play fishy in the beginning but he seemed to play pretty solid later.

Anyway I hope I lost money to him and get reimbursed.

I also agree that there is low chance the rest of the regs didn't know.

But let me also add: if you think other old timers like the dang brothers, Jared douchebag, durrrr, etc have completely quit internet poker and are not MA I would be highly surprised
I remember having the same feeling when reading through the initial hand histories.

Here are some hands you played vs Brian Hayes.
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06-25-2015 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AdamSchwartz
All I've seen so far is the BigBanker account vs Isil hand histories. Are there any of NH vs Viktor?
I may have mistaken him with Illari. Thought I saw one of highstakes DB
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06-25-2015 , 05:18 PM
Does it matter if hands were played on FTP vs bigbanker or PS vs NoelH?
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06-25-2015 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AdamSchwartz
All I've seen so far is the BigBanker account vs Isil hand histories. Are there any of NH vs Viktor?
Yes sir, there are!

Also, how often do HS regs randomly ask unknowns for loans?



I realize Ilari may be a bit erratic but still.
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06-25-2015 , 05:22 PM
VPN'ing is a fairly ubiquitous practice in the states/MA'ing to a much lesser degree. However, the moral weights of each, differ greatly.
I can sympathize with players in the US who VPN, not thinking it too big of a deal (navigating around a ridiculous law). MA'ing is inherently dishonest/deceitful though and Brian can't justify it, even if his intentions aren't .

Obviously he MA'd because his recognize-ability meant solely VPN'ing wasn't an option. Add his responses in this thread to all that and he's clearly gone and f**ked the pooch.
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06-25-2015 , 05:24 PM
When I first saw the noelhayes account I was happy to see and Irish guy doing well and taking on the high stakes regs but I felt it was going to end in tears.

I'll just state that I dont know Noel but had played a fair bit with him years ago in the casinos in Dublin.

I was also pleasantly surprised when I saw another old school Irish account doing well in MTT's but after the last week of revelations I wonder who is operating the "killerkp" account??
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06-25-2015 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jackbowie123
Pretty sure the Dangs left poker a while ago and run a restaurant now.
True about the restaurant, but I thought it was super well known they or at least one of them were on team barcode?
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06-25-2015 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hotmark777
Exactly the same. I believe I played in a 400/800 game with him in it. To be honest I had seen him play fishy in the beginning but he seemed to play pretty solid later.
Do you think this was possibly intentional to further hide the identity of the account and get better action? In the SCOOP with Bakes he made some really questionable/illogical plays to purposely show down very bad cards which only really makes sense if it was to intentionally establish an image, something that wouldn't make sense if everyone knew it was Stinger88 playing.


Also lol @ playing 100/200 with Bakes in February
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06-25-2015 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Ok say I played live everyday and a few times I decided to show up with a disguise. Mask, hat, fake beard etccc and I played. Would this be like multi accounts? Would it an unfair advantage if I didn't tell anyone it was me?
Except online there is no hint what so ever who you are.
Live casinos may have their rules on disguises. if everyone can do it that's one thing but if there a strict rule against it than yes it would be like MA.
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06-25-2015 , 05:31 PM
it's crazy Stinger panicked and made this potentially 10x bigger than it would have been had he kept quiet and let it die.

"this isn't just about me" seems likely to be about the 2 (at least) Stars pros that knew he was MA'ing. when/if that evidence comes out they get insta-dropped, and Stinger panicked so hard i won't be surprised if there's skype logs that show they 100% knew about this.
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06-25-2015 , 05:41 PM
I'm with with Lucid Dream on the VPN issue. I never pursued online poker after Black Friday because I didn't want to move out of the country and I didn't think vpn'ing was worth the risks, but I have yet to hear an argument why it is inherently bad, other than 'it makes our games harder.'

The multi accounting is an entirely separate issue, and the way Stinger has responded is terrible.
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06-25-2015 , 05:44 PM
I wouldn't pay if i had a bracelet bet vs him. Breaking the rules disguises how much you were playing and would definitely change the lines people would be willing to bet at.
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06-25-2015 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
I'm with with Lucid Dream on the VPN issue. I never pursued online poker after Black Friday because I didn't want to move out of the country and I didn't think vpn'ing was worth the risks, but I have yet to hear an argument why it is inherently bad, other than 'it makes our games harder.'
VPNs allow people to disguise their IP address, which could be used by co-located players to collude when playing at the same table or MTT. Not saying that's what Brian did but it is one reason why VPNs can be inherently bad.
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06-25-2015 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wishingwell
I wouldn't pay if i had a bracelet bet vs him. Breaking the rules disguises how much you were playing and would definitely change the lines people would be willing to bet at.
Hmmm that's a tough one. It's not like there are official rules for situations like these. One must ask himself "why is Hastings so willing to make this bet with me?" Could he possibly have been playing online under another name?"
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06-25-2015 , 05:56 PM
Are there any actual HU HH v Viktor?

TBH I doubt so as Stinger would know Viktor is currently ahead of him at all games including HU PLO where his experience of HU battles the last few years against the very best is far superior to Stingers. This ain't 09/10 anymore. I doubt Stinger would sit HU v him in any game.

But yeah, if they did play HU and he didn't tell him then it's seriously sick.
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06-25-2015 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Do you think this was possibly intentional to further hide the identity of the account and get better action? In the SCOOP with Bakes he made some really questionable/illogical plays to purposely show down very bad cards which only really makes sense if it was to intentionally establish an image, something that wouldn't make sense if everyone knew it was Stinger88 playing.


Also lol @ playing 100/200 with Bakes in February
It could also be he was rusty and making bad plays but I do remember clearly that he was playing fishy in the beginning of his appearance, and later quite well. I even remember a nlh hand where I made a loose call vs him putting him on a wider range because of that initial image. Can't remember full details other than it was a big pot and that was around when he started playing well

Also about me playing vs bakes I play the mix games a lot and most of the time against most opponents (esp at 100-200) In fact I didn't even know who bakes / whookiddd was till now

Anyway stinger ought to be embarrassed by his actions he can be sure that his reputation will be tarnished from here on end and deservedly so. Also a person betting against him for bracelets thinking he hasn't played in ages is a big factor and if I placed a bet against him with thAt info I would have issues paying him off in full.

I agree with the person saying that any stars pro who knew of the use should be fired as well.
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06-25-2015 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Ok say I played live everyday and a few times I decided to show up with a disguise. Mask, hat, fake beard etccc and I played. Would this be like multi accounts? Would it an unfair advantage if I didn't tell anyone it was me?
Depends what the disguise is. If you transplant another player's face on top of your own and use his ID card to cash out your winnings, you might get into trouble with the authorities. And the other players won't exactly be happy either.
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06-25-2015 , 06:06 PM
Is it likely that PS will make a public statement on this matter after seeing the PM and other evidence of Hastings "confession"?
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06-25-2015 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NickNemeth92
Is it likely that PS will make a public statement on this matter after seeing the PM and other evidence of Hastings "confession"?
No, They never make public statements unless they decide to DQ NoelHayes and tell all players that finished behind him they are moving up one spot in the tournaments that were played. but still won't give additional info.
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06-25-2015 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hotmark777
... Anyway stinger ought to be embarrassed by his actions he can be sure that his reputation will be tarnished from here on end and deservedly so. Also a person betting against him for bracelets thinking he hasn't played in ages is a big factor and if I placed a bet against him with that info I would have issues paying him off in full.

I agree with the person saying that any stars pro who knew of the use should be fired as well.
+1
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06-25-2015 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by murph8788
This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. The correct analogy to your financial markets example would be someone that is using insider trading vs someone that has gained an edge through in depth analysis. If Brian was using software that is legal like you were saying about Ike and Zima didn't know about it, that is part of the game. Not when you intentionally deceive someone. Just like Zima said, Brian gained information on an opponent he made a bet in the WSOP against without Zima knowing. That is definitely scummy along with many other reasons.
Except this is the worst argument I've ever heard, because insider trading is a crime, while playing internet poker is not.

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Yes, there are no laws in Florida that specifically make internet poker illegal in Florida, although they do ban gambling in general within the state. Since there is no US law regarding online poker, it is legal to play at online poker sites in Florida.
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06-25-2015 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
The difference between me and others is I knew there was a lot of cheating going on a party poker during the boom. i was recruited to cheat, i knew people who were cheating. The games were also amazing and i played as many hands as humanly possible but i never kept quiet about the cheating going on there. Others would say to me, "shut up about that ****", "it hurts the game", "people wont deposit", "well handle it ourselves". I never believed any of this crap, it all seemed like smoke-screening to me and I knew it didnt protect the game.
Please let it turn out that Russ Georgiev is still alive and has been multi-accounting as limon for the past decade.
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06-25-2015 , 06:20 PM
It's so crazy to me that he would make a series of tweets about a guy angle shooting and then even as recently as yesterday he tweeted that he liked Bovada because "everyone was on a level playing field". Then seeing his responses in here and his PM to Bakes, wow. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

Re: The not reporting people using VPNs from the US, that's fine, imo. The law sucks and we don't agree with it, if they're not hiding their identity and deceiving players about who they are, then leave it up to the sites to catch them. I obv wouldn't feel sorry for them if they were caught and have everything confiscated/banned, but I don't think not outing them is a bad thing (I can understand the side of people who would def out them).
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