When you out someone only when it affects you and get mad at other people that don't out them it seems hypocritical am I right?

I'm friends with Brian and bet against him in the 25k fantasy prop bet. On one hand I maybe should be angry about not knowing he was battling big/tough mixed online games and doing well because I would not have bet against him had I known; I figured he was crushing soft live mixed games and overconfident from pounding fish. But training in secret and showing up better than people expect is part of a bet and I am just kind of shrugging that off and don't feel at all slighted.

I also have no qualms with Americans playing PS from the US through disallowed channels on their own names. I spent 2.5 years traveling back and forth to Canada to play on stars, wasted lots of money and time, and wish I had used a workaround instead. But playing on a secret name (particularly when you are a high stakes player getting HU action) is really ****ing bad. Every player Brian beat in a 2 handed game that did not know who he was facing should be paid back in full. It gets tricky in 3-8 handed, but some of those guys would not have played those lineups had they known stinger was sitting and probably deserve some sort of compensation as well. I don't know how much cash he played and how many people in those games did not know it was him, but if even a single player sat him HU without knowing it was stinger....bad news.


edit: posted before seeing bakes PM. much deserving of the ambiguous laugh/cry emoji, not sure whether I am more sad or want to laugh at that.

still think Brian is a good guy (have seen good people make a bad decision and go down a slippery slope before, it happens), but man is he so so so wrong here.

Someone hold me, this is just too much. At least Hellmuth is half kidding when he says stuff that are on this level.

I guess he needed it more for reasons of VPN-ing on an account other than his own while known to be in the US and so payed more $$$$ for it.

Just stop... Please.

I think as a gesture of goodwill and to show he's somewhat serious about mending the fences Hastings should give Isildur back the 4.4 million in full, then hand himself into the department of justice and tell them everything. Sign a confession admitting to everything starting from when his maths teacher told him to illegally play online underage.

Stars has turned a blind eye to VPNing from the USA with many known Pros participating. There are several "Poker Houses" in Vegas that everyone knows about that have VPN's hooked up to PokerStars via Canada. Stars has done nothing about it despite them operating for past 3 years and will continue to do nothing about them. Unfortunately MA and VPN are here and will never go away. If you believe otherwise good luck!

lol at blaming the guy outing him instead of looking himself in the mirror

lolrasva

not true. I know people who were playing from the US on their own names, were caught, and had their entire account funds confiscated. Think that was too far for guys on their own names, but for secret name players confiscating and redistributing is the way to go. Amaya will probably just confiscate and keep though

very cryptic PM. this scandal has legs. it obv goes much deeper to other "big name" players, players who have him by the short and curlies. there is no honor among thieves, one of these scumbags is gonna stiff another for undisclosed side cheating and then were gonna get chapters 2, 3 and 4 of this story.

back in 2009 stinger came in my #2000 thread to tell me nothing like what he did here ever actually happened in poker. It was an obvious smoke screen and I called it out then. Thou doth protest too much...

Up to a point. We can agree that the law is illiberal and wrongheaded, but if we're talking working for the good of the game, then I'd say as a high profile player, violating federal law, and hoodwinking a site into letting you play in contravention of their T&C doesn't exactly serve to spread the popular opinion that the game is respectable, regulatable, and on the up and up, something that is surely a part of the process of getting online poker back in the US.

A reputation takes a lifetime to build and a few seconds to destroy.

so the cliffs here are: "It is fine/meh to cheat but publicly outing cheaters are bad for poker!"

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I presume your talking about o shea, reese brennan and odea as you mentioned them before. I have no clue if they multi account. I do know mark davis was and is staking a lot of that crew. If your question is why did noel hayes sell his account to hastings instead of one of these guys who you say multi account who are his friends i can only guess that if they are multi accounting like you say they have other friends accounts etc they can use for free. Also they don't play near as high as hastings. I don't think o shea is playing anywhere near as high as he used too and if he his its not on his dime. I heard reese brennan is crushing but its all plo and not high stakes mixed games which none of them play and which apart from hastings admitting to it being him in that pm is a big indicator it is not any of the 3 people you mentioned.

The connection between hastings and hayes is weird but a vague description of it is that mark davis originally being from america knows hastings directly or maybe through someone else. Mark davis also knows noel hayes from spending a lot of time In Ireland. Hastings needs an account. Davis sets up the deal. Thats the way it was relayed to me anyway.

You are way out of line. From a public relations point of view, you should probably take a break from posting in this thread.

Sadly this describes a huge % of the people standing on their soapboxes ATM.

Reading this thread makes me think of a lot of shady things are going on online and the top pros know about it.

I've noticed a few people using this argument so far, brushing aside VPN'ng from the US as okay because it's circumventing an unfair law.

But it screws over people who live abroad and those who legitimately travel abroad to play by making the games a small percentage tougher. You're not going to find any/many fish VPNng.

We don't really have any control over pretty ****ty things in poker like seating scripts and coaching/ghosting, but when there's literally a law and rule out there preventing someone from playing from the US, and it hurts the games when people break it, I don't think we should be brushing it off

My PM wasn't answered
But my post containing the pm was deleted.

Not sure why or by who but they should be ashamed.
Unless of course they feel it was deleted for the good of the game in these difficult times.

Speaking of hypocritical

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=96

Unless its yourself, who is outing them...

Did Stinger actually buy you in this PM exchange?
How much?

It pretend to care could.

I used VPN so my ISP wouldn't find out I was illegally downloading torrents.


Does that put me on the same level as Rasva Hastings?

Relax guys, he's just trans-persona.