A.) Rome falls 9x an hour

B.) Random anrgy fuggers online yappin about someone they've never met and are maaaaaaaaaad at for MAing (not murder/rape/other terrible ****) is weird to me and I think they are jealous and salty. I apologize for living in the snitches get stiches era yo

Remember when mark teltscher got caught multi accounting and was stripped of the wcoop main winnings and everyone got bumped up one pay spot. Do you think this is what should happen here for all the tournament winnings from the noelhayes account...and if not why not...for example hastings won the bigger 162 on the noelhayes account towards the end of the scoop for 50k..it would tough to convince any sane person that say at an absolute bare lowball minimum 25 people would have played hands different in that tourny vs him had they have known it was hastings. do u know if he has offered to give up that 50kish in winnings and have it distributed fairly amongst the players who weren't multi accounting like what happened with teltscher..

Wouldnt this be just to NOT multi account?

His situation is the same as thousands of other US poker players. Except most of them don't think its ok to cheat people as a way of giving the middle finger to the government.

You forgot about the option to just not cheat.

Its not like he was going to end up on the street if he didnt make some rent money right now.

It's been reported in this thread "NoelHayes" played blom as well. That's going beyond simply trying to play from the USA to using his new account to deliberately get action he might have been denied under stinger88. If that part is true of course, I have no idea.

See the thing is with the "I'm a gangsta F all you haters" approach is that then you aren't supposed to try and simultaneously come off as an ambassador to the game who will engage anyone in meaningful private conversation.

But I guess it shouldn't be surprising that a multi-accounter also has multiple personas.

Do we know for sure it's him yet? People are so quick to assume someone is guilty.

mcnasty,

true.

heh more like giving blom some rakeback, 0% chance blom wouldnt play him.

Re: some other people. I admit practically total ignorance of the tourney world and can see a ton of issues that arise there. Maybe I haven't though that part through enough. I assume many people get some sort of help from good players whenever they go deep when I play one.
Would people play differently knowing its stinger compared to a random nosebleed mixed reg?

how many players who played high-ish stakes(10/20 lets say) 10 years, or even 6 years ago are still there without ever cheating in one way or another? Are there any left? Or is the only way to stay ahead of the curve as games get tougher and tougher is to find new ways to gain an edge unfairly?

so many people who used to play higher stakes have gone broke, or have quit because they couldn't win anymore...is being broke with a clean conscience really worth it?

This is the level of delusion we're dealing with here folks

The guy was no doubt blowing up my old Skype that I never use and got frustrated when I didn't immediately respond

I don't always get Multiaccounting apologies, but when I do they curse me out, condescend and call me a bad player, talk some patriotic bull**** about what's good for the game, and something something I didn't scum you that bad but I'll still pay your equity back



Fwiw let me explain how I was contacted

With 7 left in the FT a poker player who is my friend but is no doubt much closer to Brian than me messaged a close friend of mine saying that they had a 'business opportunity' or something like that for the FT. I had no clue wtf this was so I played out the FT and only realized after this was my opportunity to learn who I was playing against

Of course, that was the SCOOP FT

When we played sessions like this together

Hand #4379

PokerStars Hand #130955392733: 8-Game (Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit, $100/$200 USD) - 2015/02/22 12:46:20 ET
Table 'Coppelia V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Crazy Elior ($6493.10 in chips)
Seat 2: NoelHayes ($8830.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Fresh_oO_D ($7211 in chips)
Seat 4: hotmark777 ($2576.69 in chips)
Seat 6: WhooooKidd ($2450.50 in chips)

He didn't give two ****s about telling me 4 months prior at 100/200 8game

Yeah, you make sense. But I doubt he is already thinking along those lines. The guy is not smart. He, a known losing poker player/gambler, opens an account in his own name and then illegally sells it to a World class player and doesn't think anyone will notice it's not him playing. Until there are any actual repercussions I doubt he will fully get it. His psyche is such that he is for now probably just as disappointed that some people know it wasn't him who was having 100k swings at poker. But yeah, you are right too and word will spread quickly in the small World of Irish gambling. His future job prospects have certainly taken a hit! Back to McDonalds & the micros on euro sites!

If we are having a witch hunt on stinger, we might as well have all the self righteous players that are all about integrity out everyone they know that MAs, bots, uses shady programs, ghosts, VPNs, seat scripts. Etc etc.

But that isn't going to happen.

Roman, there are two problems with the giving money back solution.

1) He has no idea who he owes money to and how much he owes them (who would have played differently against them if they knew who he was and how much EV did he cost them)
2) He is freerolling them - if they never find out who he was, he never offers them $

Good for him that he thinks he didn't do anything wrong, but he's delusional and incorrect.

hahaha owch @ that last part where he burns you for going through a rough time as of late I would be super tilted as well.

This needs way more love

I think by and large its mostly the opposite. Most of the cheaters are gone/broke/unable to beat the game by now. I think if you focus your energies on finding angles you are going to get passed by the harder working good players.

That PM to Bakes is LANCE ARMSTRONG!

Da fuq?

Bakes, why did you hold on the the info so long and wait so long to out him? Seems kinda hypocritical

So u assume he checks these types of forums daily? If I was a pro and doing the types of gambling he does and living his life style I would probably never look on here. I don't look much now.

What an insanely deluded pm

this is the big part that he (and others) don't seem to understand. he's being results oriented by saying "i cheated you, i'll send you some money back because i have been winning lately"

if it doesn't work he just loses his 100k or whatever to whoever and still cheats everyone-- well, being a losing player 2 of the last 3 years probably means he isn't going to reach out and pay ppl back their equity

The simple fact is that many 'high profile' players play on their own screen name. I could give a **** where they play from, as others stated ITT, US law is total bull****

But plenty manage to do it without playing on another name

And if you think that Brian was doing this in equitable fashion, then simply lol

Holy crap that PM is even worse than his posts in this thread. The guy has some serious issues.

I agree it makes a huge difference if he proactively was telling everyone he could think of or not.