not defending hastings about the MAing but saying he "cheated" isildur out of 4 millions is ridiculous. People should stop saying that it doesnt give credibility to real accusations, just makes people sound like salty isi fanboys.

what is the chance to get some money back for those who played in a MTT where Stinger/Noyal cashed during this SCOOP?

00.56 and 1.20 specifically

^ From the other thread regarding his bracelet wins. Apologies if posted in here before.

lololol u are insane dude

noun, sociopath
1.
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

Seems like I played a few hands with him during SCOOP too. Would've been nice to know it was you Bry, and not some random punter. Especially in the 500 plo, which is a big buyin for me.

I guess because youre rich though and have given us so much I should just stfu.

At the risk of getting lynched, I will go against the grain a bit here. I have probably been materially impacted by his MA (I had him marked as a fish for a couple days), and I spend close to 9mos of the year outside of the country partly so I could play online. I have only met stinger very briefly, so its not like i'm defending a friend. There are degrees of bad actions imo, and in this case I think what he did wasn't super bad. While he did gain an unfair advantage, I think he did everything in his power to mitigate any harm caused to other regs, even offering money to anyone who thought they lost money because they didn't know who he was. Is it immoral to not follow an unjust law? I commiserate with his unfortunate situation. Unlike me who really enjoys splitting my time between various places abroad, his whole life is here. His public profile is also such that it is that he can't VPN like certain other regs. Maybe its my Russian DNA but he seemingly chose between a few bad options due to the despotic actions of his government and did what looks like the most to make sure he doesn't harm his fellow colleagues as much as possible in the process.

He even sneezed out buggers because he was so surprised that he would snitch on himself

https://twitter.com/Sonya_Siren

Nearly spat out my tea laughing (https://twitter.com/brianchastings/s...71214169042944).

Yup, definitely NoelHayes...

not paying the bracelet bets/fantasy bets seems too drastic to me.

tinkering w the odds tho.....

I would imagine he gives more than a crap. Not so much about people he doesn't know talking about it and considering him shady but I imagine he's going to be involved in the gambling world for a long time and specifically the non poker gambling world and when people from that world are just a google search of his name away from these cheating allegations it will have a hugely detrimental effect on his life and peoples perception of him. For example He had some big jobs in the Irish gambling industry. If he trys to get a big job again Im sure there will be some background checks online and the likes and one of the first things they come across is threads and reports on this situation with words like cheated,scammed etc. While i agree that old school cheaters get their stories retold at poker tables and people love hearing of a good stroke in Ireland nobody wants to be considered a cheater or scumbag or someone with next to no morals or ethics even more so in the non poker gambling world then the poker world.

Question, sorry if I missed it amid the cluster: Does Brian have Stars / FTP accounts of his own, or were they banned (prior to this scandal emerging)?

I'm just trying to understand whether was MAing b/c his original accts had been banned and he still wanted to play, or specifically because he wanted to gain an edge by playing against known opponents who had no reads on him? **Neither situation is less scummy than the other, I'm just trying to understand facts/motives here.

Ethics class must not be a requirement at Cornell along with crisis management and public relations.

I understand the point you are making, but I don't think anyone feels any injustice at the hands of someone violating US iGaming law. The outrage Brian is feeling right now is because he cheated his fellow players. The fact that he went around telling people it was him ought to be part of the discussion, but there were plenty of hands played versus him by people who didn't know who it was at first, or at all.

I'm gonna sound like a broken record. But PM him. He will answer.

Neither. He wanted to play stars but he is to well known to VPN and play on his own account when everybody knows he is in the U.S. That is why he bught the other account to play on and it seems like he felt somewhat bad about it because he was telling some of his friends it was him.

Moral of the story: If you're going to cheat, don't start to feel bad and tell people. Keep it to yourself so nobody can out you.

He was playing on a VPN from the US I imagine, he couldn't play on his own accounts because too many people know he's still in the US.

It's a lot harder to get caught if you buy another account with years of history than to open a new account. a lot less suspicious.

As far as I know they are/were all offered what amount they felt cheated for. He is practically the only person I have ever heard do this which should be taken into consideration as well.

lemme simplify the whole thing for you all:

A.) stop snitching - you guys are sick...dunno how you sleep at night. angry ****s.

B.) people will always MA. Those who don't will get sharped up by those who do.

c.) most of you are up for hater of the year...which one will get the award?

snitches get stiches yo... its the code of the streets out here am i rite?

Heh I think you live in the wrong age.

Lol, how should this work?
There were 100s of players in the tournaments he played or does this only apply if he knew the opponents irl?

Thats even worse.

as ansky said the VPNing is not the major problem but still significant.

its not the problem of me and others if the good old us government bans onlinepoker, either you live the country and dont play for a living on stars or live somewhere else. i dont give a **** about his personal situation. theres ****loads of murricans i met on my travels and alot of them like that lifestyle but a significant part would also like to live in the us rather than abroad. this behaviour of a somewat ambassador of teh game is just such a slap in teh face for every single one of them.


Far worse is teh whole MAing thing... that a couple of guys knew about his "new" screen name makes also zero difference bc i would assume alot of 1k and 2k players took shots in teh beginning after googling noel hayes - shots theyd have never taken if they knew who that account belonged to. How guys who knew that wouldnt out that info earlier or directly bring that to stars attention is also beyond me. I personally would have to be DAMN good friends with someone who admits to me he's multiaccounting to not bring that to Stars attention.

I think the bigger deal is that sponsored pokerstars players did nothing about this. They should be fired immediately.