I read the Cliffs and to me the whole thing is just "meh, so what". Certainly not deserving of so much hate in my opinion.

When I play online poker I have no fn clue who is on the other side of the "screen name", online poker is pretty much an anonymous game.

So Brian usually played under Stinger88, then played under NoelHayes. Okay I understand it's against PokerStars TOS to have more than one screen name. But sorry, I just don't view it as that big a deal. Of course unless a player simultaneously played both accounts at the same time in the same tournament or cash game.

Some other pro lost because he says he didn't know it was Brian Hastings behind the screen name. Welcome to my world (casual, sometimes winning rec player), I have no clue who is behind any screen name, unless the name is their actual name like a Red Star Pro.

If you want to always know who is behind a "screen name", go play live poker in a casino and you can see them.

With your aviator & quote its just perfect.

Pretty sure it's because Brian picked and chose who he told he was Noel. Add in he's playing for huge money and not your recreational winning games (no offense) and that's a pretty big deal. Then he was a douche about it and told people to keep it quiet when it broke because it could hurt poker. Then he directly said that he was the victim in this case. If he didn't act like such a douche, he wouldn't get all this hate.

Yea I see what you're saying. The old adage "the cover-up is worse than the crime" seems to apply here perhaps.

How is this thread still going strong ? Obv there is the 1-2% of posters in this thread whom are actually affected by all this Ev wise / Money wise / Rep wise etc but for the most part this is just TMZ at this point not to mention NOT good for the game at all.

He gained an unfair advantage by being anonymous where he knew other players tendancies and other players did not know it was him and could not adjust accordingly (or choose not to play him).

He thought it a big enough issue to explain to his friends that it was him but not others (including people he knew would be affected and could have/had direct contact with)

He did this to line his pockets further at the expense of other people in the community he cares so much about and arrogantly tries to talk about other people damaging and other moralistic views he has no right to be in a position of saying.

There is the isildur1 situation (I'm not going to get into whether that one is right or wrong)

The zima situation

the WSOP prop situation

VPN'ing stars when others have had to move from the county. ALso doesn't look good that stars didn't find this from a regulation standpoint or that they have still done nothing to punish him as far as I know

his attitude to other players after being called out at the wsop

I'm sure there are others I really can't be bothered going through.

I don't know why this is hard to comprehend that he is at best a self absorbed shady bastard with little to no morals when it suits him if the situation can benefit him financially.

The fact that people are still standing up for him / his lack of integrity and the fact that he still openly swans around like pokers moral compass is a ****ing joke

This thread is stupid.

Ben86 just said Phil Ivey is probably playing on another account (but it's not public) all nonchalantly.

Where is the Phil Ivey hating thread?

Another of the many many examples of high stakes regs speculating people are playing on different accounts and you know what? None of them really gives a ****..... But the idiots ITT want to crucify BH.

The idiots who have no interest whatsoever in what happened and are just so naive they don't think it happens every day. Always has. Always will.

I'm sure if there was proof of Ivey multiaccounting with the name of that account we'd get a thread. If Ivey then went in said thread saying that he did it for the people then people would hate on him to. Nobody's saying that this doesn't happen all over the place. If Brian never responded and didn't post such **** on twitter, this thread would be dead.

I've maintained this stance since the story "broke". But whatever, this is the "gossip" section so people will "gossip".

Anyone that suspected Stars doesn't take multi-accounting or VPN-use from the US seriously can rest more easily after taking a look at Jake Schindler's thread. Because he used a remote desktop program (with the implication that he was in the US and not Canada as he claimed), he's been banned from Stars, FTP and all EPT events (he's a former winner of the PCA High Roller), and had around a quarter of a million dollars confiscated.
Breaking Stars' ToS can be very costly.

America still sucks though.

Who was he on Stars?

It's probably best to look in the Schindler thread, but it seems he used "Jvbizz"
and "CallitARush", and possibly other screennames too. It seems the VPN/MA issue is pretty widespread, as a poster who said you can rent a remote machine for $300 a month admitted to getting caught and "losing a few rolls".

Not real doe

I think it's safe to assume (stating the mega obvious) that this is nowhere close to an isolated case and that this is happening soooooooooooooo much yet this particular spot is the one getting all the attention and thus there has got to be some projected emotions spilling over from all the other MA situations going on noone is talking bout.

Like JungleDan inferred at some point - There is so much more going on on par / worse than this....That we don't know about - But if you're smart you realize is likely going on.

yeah just ask hastings - he is probably everyones money on his titties as we speak

Just cause it's going on does not make it right.

Until as a community it is decided that this is resoundingly ok or removed from the sites T&S then it is still wrong.

Maybe the community shouldn't be a whiny bunch of hypocrites with their double standards and inequitable persecutions.

Yes that's the problem.

Do you ever add anything of use or just dribble ****?

Have a nice day

Exactly. You are the problem. You whine complain and attack without any substance or intelligence.

Plz delete your account and get a life little buddy. No one cares what you have you have to say

Three account's went deep in the ACR million last night, NoelHayes, Brian hastings, Stinger88. I'd be shocked if he's that stupid to multi account on these allias's, but then again it is Brian hastings!

I can see the response from Hastings now - "I deliberately used accounts that people knew were me. What is the issue here? Stop creating issues that aren't there and ruining our community".

Hi Brian! New 2p2 account?

the 3 accounts deep in the acr tourney...IS THIS REAL? i mean, has to be hayestings on all 3 right?

Def was not implying it was right. Sorry if it came off that way. My point was more that this was going on so much whether it be at lower stakes with unknown players to the highest stakes with very known players - Yet somehow all (or most) of the attention is all focused on this one thread / situation and that there was fallout from other situations going unnoticed / untalked about now spilling into this thread.

Obv there have been other instances of foul play with their own thread / that have been outed on 2+2 but this one seems to have gotten the most attention.

I'm not sure if starting a scamming / MA / general shade sub-forum or anything similar is a good idea overall but seems like NVG is the go-to forum on 2p2 and because of that people seeing these pop up here repeatedly is def not good.

I to a point agree but I think this thread has gathered so much steam because of the way the player involved (BH) has handled the situation and so many other variables he in fact caused whether it be sidebets, his attitude, his tweets. Even pokerstars actions (or lack thereof) in this case.

I'll probably cop a bit of flack for it but BH created a lot of this problem himself and only has himself to blame.

I agree a lot of the posts occuring probably could take place in a thread not bearing his name but unfortunately he did the crime and this just happens to be the place it all blew up.

Is he still getting hammered for something that could have been over now (maybe should have)? Yes probably. Did he handle the situation well and own his mistakes or has he yet? No I don't think so. Do I care that this is negatively impacting BH? Couldn't care less. Do I think that's it's negatively affecting the community? Impossible to judge but there's a chance. That said if I was thinking about putting myself in this position I'd strongly think twice now as I'm sure many others would. Outrage on the act being in public view is not always a bad thing