I barely even played online poker before Black Friday and it was obvious to even me that there was something wrong, get a better example. They let people play on their site for free for like 8 months before they got shut down.....

Is that why there had been so many warnings to remove funds from the site?
Is that why so many pros had stopped playing Full Tilt and moved elsewhere?
Is that why the volume of games on Full Tilt had declined significantly before Black Friday?

Let us say you are correct that it is a poor analogy. Your post affirms my major point of the need for discussion whenever concerns exist. Silence when problems are obvious to some is damaging to the community.

No, but someone with still limited life experience, who has the potential to become a person of greater integrity, might do it and then come to regret it later.

I actually think that is a big step in changing the paradigm and stands in direct contrast to the attitude of others who say the MAing isn't a big deal. At the moment he probably feels like he negatively freerolled himself by admitting he knew, but in the long run it won't turn out like that.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

#1 ike didn't alert Stars security about hastings skyping him he was noelhayes because ike likely wasn't surprised. he wasn't surprised because he probably has known about ma'ing cheats for a while. and ike doesn't have to wait for some cheating to take place in the future to act. he can tell stars security about any other cheaters from the past & present.
#2 ike will never publish that transcript because he probably never bothered to capture it. some of you argue he couldn't be bothered to report the skype convo to stars security because he was in the middle of playing a tournament. what about after the tourney? ike has admitted he never reported it.
#3 stars accounts have been frozen because of this scandal, but ike gets to keep grinding despite doing nothing as a well known player & an employee of pokerstars. lulz.





ike, lots of sngs, can you come in here and state your not using any tools that use info taken from the game state in real time (from your spoken words or otherwise) & use that information to instantly call up pre-saved charts or populate charts which aid you in playing in real time. can you please confirm you are using no ingame assistance software of any kind other than a standard hud???

ike,has stars ever asked your opinion on any ingame software tools & if they should be allowed to be used or not?

best thing pokerstars can do is just drop the whole disgusting roster & start over...

Get a life man.

Guessing as to what Ike knew and then persecuting him for it isn't a good look

I'm sure if you payed Ike a million $$ to do stars security he woulda been all over that ****. He's a poker player and for the most part in life you learn to mind your own business and handle your own business. He had nothing to do with the bull**** and was only told about it. He has his own life to live and his own priorities. This is STars security priority and NOT IKES!!! He's just a poker player and sticking your nose in other people's business can get you into trouble and it sounds like he had a full plate ahead of him doing what Stars pays him to do.




Quit being a bitch about it and acting like Ike did anything horribly wrong, he just human errored.... STANDARD ****!!! Brian is the idiot that ****ed up, not once but twice in 2 HUGE SCANDALS, BE PISSED AT BRIAN YOU MENTAL MIDGETS. Being pissed at Ike, well look at your own misdeeds. I'm sure you have plenty of stupid moments thruout your life. Quit being a lil bich boy about it.

That's a whole lot of speculation.

Based on the end of your post I'm going to do some of my own. You dropped a few buyins to him, felt like you got cheated and now grasping at straws to throw mud in his direction.

excuse me adamschwartz,but in ike's original confession he stated he was inclined to believe the "rumor" that hastings was on the noelhayes account. in his follow-up post he states that he was directly contacted by hastings via skype & hastings admitted to being noelhaye directly to ike haxton. you say we should not "persecute him" for that. okay, well can we "persecute him" for breaking pokerstars own ToS? Something i bet he has read many times.


5. PROHIBITED USES, COLLUSION AND CHEATING

5.1SOFTWARE MODIFICATIONS. Users may not attempt to modify, decompile, reverse-engineer or disassemble the Software in any way.

5.2PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with PokerStars for any purpose other than for using the Service. The User must provide full and truthful information in respect of all details and information provided by the User to PokerStars and the User is obligated to update such details in the event of any change thereto.

5.3REAL MONEY TRANSFERS. The PokerStars real money transfer facility is accessed via the "PokerStars Lobby" (under the heading "requests" and then "transfer funds"). Users must enter the amount to transfer and the player ID of the intended recipient. Users are reminded that it is their responsibility to ensure they know who the other Users are before entering into these arrangements. Limits on transfers will be set by PokerStars per User.

As part of PokerStars' licensing agreement and in compliance with anti money laundering legislation, Users need to be aware they may be required to produce personal documentation (such as Government issued ID, bank statements and utility bills) upon request in order for their transfer to be processed. This allows PokerStars to help protect Users and prevent PokerStars being used as a vehicle for money laundering or fraud.

5.4COLLUSION, CHEATING. Collusion and cheating by Users by sharing hole cards or by any other methods is strictly forbidden. PokerStars reserves the right, in addition to other measures, to restrict seating and/or to prohibit Users from playing at a particular poker table or in a tournament, including restricting two or more Users from playing together at the same table or in the same tournament. In addition, PokerStars will consider any collusion or cheating or attempt at collusion or cheating between or by players (including Users) as a material breach of this Agreement and will terminate a User's account if a User engages or attempts to engage in any such activity, regardless of the outcome of such attempt. Users who suspect other users of the Site of collusion or cheating should immediately report the matter to support@pokerstars.uk

Obviously Brian is known tool. He floats along in the grey areas of poker with an attitude that makes most people want to punch him in the face (although he would say we're all jealous.) Ike on the other hand seems like a decent guy that made some mistakes. The problem is... Ike works for PokerStars and therefore brings their integrity into question.

100% agree, but there are many other players who float along in that grey area with hastings. hastings buys lots of pieces, waiting for some of these players who rely on hastings to speak up or get outted.

I'm pretty sure he said he doesn't play online at all and definitely not on Stars. Seems like a lunatic to me.

I would hope those accounts connected to NH account through transfers are investigated and the outcomes made public. Strong case for naming and shaming imo.

The bottom line is this: hotwarmcold2, you're letting guys like Ike off the hook for capital offenses and you need to start holding them accountable instead of sugar coating their trespasses against the poker community.

Especially when you personally lost such a large sum in this fiasco (I'm assuming).

Can somebody please post the pic of Ike reading the Pokerstars TOS, intently focused on each statute, possibly using a yellow marker to highlight the important stuff? I mean, this pic must exist somewhere.

For the record, I'm going on a hunger strike until this mess is sorted out. It's not that I don't think Chinese fire explosion victims aren't relevant, or that black lives don't matter, but if we're going to prioritize things, it's Ike's role in this massive conspiracy that I want to use as the platform for my impending hunger. if I get too weak to communicate, somebody please tell my mom that I love her.

Farewell Cheezeburgas!

In each poker scandal that I have seen develop over the last decade, my default position has been to assume the worst about the scandal and about any players directly and indirectly involved. It has proven to be +EV.

I agree. Mistakes are made by people of integrity. This is why people of integrity must always be held accountable.


I agree. I hope it will be a memorable step both he and the community benefit from.


Poker Stars policy on employee duties and culpability regarding security is a question that should be answered. If it is Poker Stars position that employees are not accountable for concerns or known violations of ToS etc. customers have a right to that information. That information is integral to understanding the comprehensive site security offered by Poker Stars.

If there is no employee accountability Sheldon Aldeson and others will be glad to have another argument with which they can attack licensing attempts. If Poker Stars can show strong policy regarding this subject it will help strengthen their case for allowance into the United States market.

I was not able to find the picture you are asking for however i was able to obtain a video of ike and everyone else who knew about noel. Hope you enjoy the video and maybe now we can prosecute everyone involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPnK0NCn_MQ

dang it this is not even funny. poor amuricans

Very true

I've come to a few conclusions. Let's start with the obvious one.

1. The U.S. online system is broken because of a legal gray area.
2. Because the system is broken, some people will try to work around it while others will try to stay within the rules.
3. Because the system is broken, those who try to work around the rules will find some empathetic/sympathetic people who have a similar dislike for the broken system, even if they themselves stay within the rules. (see the support BH received from some pros earlier ITT)
4. As long as the system remains broken it will split the community between those who want a fair/equal playing field and those who see the broken system as being the cause of that unfair/unequal playing field.

If the system wasn't broken, would this have ever happened in the first place?

The real questions that come to my mind are:

1. Does Stars just allow VPNing/MAing knowingly?

If not then:

2. Doesn't that mean that Stars can't stop VPNing or MAing?

If that's the case then the POTY for 2016 will be the VPNing, MAing, hole-card sharing, PLO bot.

Since that last bot ring was crushing their stake without sharing hole-cards, they must be licking their lips now.

Nooooooo... el Hayes lol

what kind of obtuse schmuck does not MA? Lol pick something else to fight for you guys. Taking out your anger on MAers b/c girls don't like you is a waste of your time

And any court would lol for saying Guy can mA but others can't bc of fraud lmaooooo. That poster thought he solved the world with that one. 'Hey well uh guy liberte can MA but if a pro does it is fraud." A US judge would love that 1 lol jesus how fuggin dense are some of you

You do play a game of incomplete information for a living, right?

Let's look at what we know:

- Ike says that, prior to SCOOP, he had heard credible rumors, but not definitive proof, that Hastings was playing on the account.

- During SCOOP, Hastings tells Ike, that he is in fact playing on the account.

Given that (a) we know that high stakes players were speculating that multi-accounting was occurring, but asking Stars to investigate the account was apparenty never discussed, (b) Hastings apparently believed that confessing to multi-accounting to a Stars sponsored player was a relatively low risk proposition and, (c) Ike basically reacted to this revelation by shrugging and going about his business, is it really that unreasonable to infer that there is a lot of multiaccounting going on?

If Hastings was some renegade scumbag who was really operating way outside of the boundaries of acceptable behavior, I find it hard to believe that Ike (who does seem like a decent, thoughtful guy, imo), would have been quite as blase about Hastings' confession.

Imo, Hastings' conduct tells us a lot about Hastings, but Ike's conduct reveals a lot about the state of the game...

Oh Hi veteran disgruntled multiaccounter