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08-13-2015 , 08:15 AM
HWC, how many hands did you play with NH?

Last edited by Robert12345; 08-13-2015 at 08:20 AM. Reason: Inability to write simple english
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08-13-2015 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by hmmmm123
Isn't it a bit strange that as soon as Brian told Ike he was Noel Hayes he just drops off the face of the earth?

Why would Noel Hayes stop playing?

Maybe Ike was a Good Samaritan and told Brian that he would report it to stars if he didn't stop?
NH stopped playing because the SCOOP ended and the WSOP began.
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08-13-2015 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by hotwarmcold2
what i am most interested in atm is the criminal implications of the cheating & the financial penalties. i believe noel hayes is a UK resident? and if everything is true he violated the UK gambling act of 2005? which makes jail time a possbility. i think pokestars will go after him for all the money that was cheated off the site & since the speculation is hastings got most of that money, will hastings bail out noel hayes by shipping back the $$$ ? i am also curious as to how the money was moved around & if banking laws were broken & what the DOJ might think about that..
You're delusional. There are more important things going on in the world than this. No one in the real world cares about any of this.

Why are you are so obsessed with this considering you didn't even play in any games with NH? No sane person would waste this much time and energy on a matter that didn't even affect them. There must be some reason why you are doing this.

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Originally Posted by Robert12345
HWC, how many hands did you play with NH?
None.
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08-13-2015 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by liverando
hes sitting on a table with a certain user name, who may or may not be a good player, and he knows its a good player. why does he have an obligation to others in his game to disclose the identity of that person? (again, as a stars pro i think he has an obligation to tell STARS)
I think the point would be that the "real" NH has a reputation for not being quite as good as Hastings!! Don't know where you are from but imagine in a sports match being told you were playing person 'x' and in fact behind a mask is person 'y' who is on the best players in the world.....

As to whether Ike has a responsibility to tell the table is a very moot point - and it is good that he only sat with him in a tourney as opposed to cash games - but he should certainly have let PS know..
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08-13-2015 , 09:46 AM
If this happened at micros accounts would be banned and stars would keep the 40 odd bucks in them and ban for life.
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08-13-2015 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by R*R
After carefully reading this thread and thinking about the copious amount of repetition I have decided that the best punishment for Ike would be to make him an NVG mod.
+1
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08-13-2015 , 10:02 AM
Ike, do you think the fact that you were aware that it was BH playing on the NH account, while others did not, provided you with an unfair advantage?

If so, was your reasoning behind not telling Stars because of ur laziness/"path of least resistance" approach? Or more because you wanted to keep that edge you had in place?

How would you rate ur level of scuminess after ur role in this scandal?

1 being squeaky clean like a Phil Galfond type
10 being ultimate scum like a Russ Hamilton or Howard Lederer type

Gotta be over a 5 at this point imo
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08-13-2015 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hotwarmcold2

what i am most interested in atm is the criminal implications of the cheating & the financial penalties. i believe noel hayes is a UK resident? and if everything is true he violated the UK gambling act of 2005? which makes jail time a possbility. i think pokestars will go after him for all the money that was cheated off the site & since the speculation is hastings got most of that money, will hastings bail out noel hayes by shipping back the $$$ ? i am also curious as to how the money was moved around & if banking laws were broken & what the DOJ might think about that..
He is from Banagher, and now lives in Dublin, Eire.

The Republic of Ireland isn't part of the UK, Nortern Ireland is.
It's been quite big in world news, especially over the past 40 years.
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08-13-2015 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by vazdog33
Ike, do you think the fact that you were aware that it was BH playing on the NH account, while others did not, provided you with an unfair advantage?

If so, was your reasoning behind not telling Stars because of ur laziness/"path of least resistance" approach? Or more because you wanted to keep that edge you had in place?

How would you rate ur level of scuminess after ur role in this scandal?

1 being squeaky clean like a Phil Galfond type
10 being ultimate scum like a Russ Hamilton or Howard Lederer type

Gotta be over a 5 at this point imo
Why don't you try reading the thread before making these laughably stupid posts.
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08-13-2015 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by hmmmm123
Isn't it a bit strange that as soon as Brian told Ike he was Noel Hayes he just drops off the face of the earth?

Why would Noel Hayes stop playing?

Maybe Ike was a Good Samaritan and told Brian that he would report it to stars if he didn't stop?
Haha, great detective work here. Opening up a new account for this is really paying off.
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08-13-2015 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
He is from Banagher, and now lives in Dublin, Eire.

The Republic of Ireland isn't part of the UK, Nortern Ireland is.
It's been quite big in world news, especially over the past 40 years.
The lion does not concern himself with the lives of sheep.

/Not really, but your comment reminded me of Canadians getting butt-hurt when Americans don't know anything about the structure of their government. Frankly, the details of you're country is just not that important to most people outside of it.
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08-13-2015 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by R*R
After carefully reading this thread and thinking about the copious amount of repetition I have decided that the best punishment for Ike would be to make him an NVG mod.
By far the best post itt
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08-13-2015 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by vazdog33
Ike, do you think the fact that you were aware that it was BH playing on the NH account, while others did not, provided you with an unfair advantage?

If so, was your reasoning behind not telling Stars because of ur laziness/"path of least resistance" approach? Or more because you wanted to keep that edge you had in place?

How would you rate ur level of scuminess after ur role in this scandal?

1 being squeaky clean like a Phil Galfond type
10 being ultimate scum like a Russ Hamilton or Howard Lederer type

Gotta be over a 5 at this point imo
Not that it's right, but I doubt there are very many people that have been active in the poker community for more than a few years that haven't been in a similar position of someone outing themselves to them as doing something kind of shady but not earth shattering. I've been in that position myself and also failed to do anything.

Again, not that it's right, but I think your scale is pretty messed up.
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08-13-2015 , 10:27 AM
MM, ike was provided an unfair advantage and sat on the info instead of doing the right.

It is without question a scumbag move on Ike's part.

Have I dumbed it down enough for you?
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08-13-2015 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by vazdog33
MM, ike was provided an unfair advantage and sat on the info instead of doing the right.

It is without question a scumbag move on Ike's part.

Have I dumbed it down enough for you?
No, don't worry, it was more than dumb enough from the beginning.

Ike said itt that he played precisely one tournament knowing BH was NH. You're really overstating this UNFAIR ADVANTAGE and the EDGE Ike obtained. Maybe try taking a step back and thinking about how Ike could have actually capitalized on this massive edge you think he had while he was playing at the WSOP. Seriously, explain how Ike was going to personally benefit from this.

Electing not to do something for the greater good != doing something sinister. Get a grip.
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08-13-2015 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ike
What he has said about me in this thread is true. In early May I became aware that Hastings was playing on the NoelHayes account and I didn't do anything about it. I was far from the first or only person who knew, but due to my relationship with Stars I had a greater responsibility to act and I was better situated to get something done quickly had I tried. I regret taking the apathetic and irresponsible route and if I find myself in a similar position in the future I will report the cheating immediately. I apologize to anyone who was adversely affected by my inaction.
No need to apologize, you didn't have to say anything and policing the games is not your responsibility.

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Ikes are you sure you didn't say anything to Stars? Limon has 100% guaranteed us that Stars knew.
lol_limon, you have leaks in your forum game if you see his posts.
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08-13-2015 , 10:45 AM
Sat on the info for the greater good??? Now that's rich!!! LOL!! Ike is a hero!!!

And yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb here and call BS on Ike knowing that BH was NH for exactly 1 tournament.
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08-13-2015 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by vazdog33
Sat on the info for the greater good??? Now that's rich!!! LOL!! Ike is a hero!!!

And yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb here and call BS on Ike knowing that BH was NH for exactly 1 tournament.
1. You don't even understand what I'm saying. I'm acknowledging that Ike didn't do that, but that doesn't mean he did anything sinister.

2. So I guess you're accusing Ike of lying itt now. Ok. Do you have any basis for that?
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08-13-2015 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
The lion does not concern himself with the lives of sheep.

/Not really, but your comment reminded me of Canadians getting butt-hurt when Americans don't know anything about the structure of their government. Frankly, the details of you're country is just not that important to most people outside of it.
The lion was shot by an ignorant American.
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08-13-2015 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
Wouldn't the long term health of poker and its reputation be improved if cheaters were immediately outed and ostracized?
Silence and rationalization only benefits the cheaters at the expense of the game and everyone else.
Am I correct, Ike?
I think most of us agree on that. Ike's small error of omission (not immediately passing the details of Hasting's MA-ing to the security team) has got him into "trouble", and it seems he regrets the mistake and will be more careful in future.
I'm relieved that there doesn't appear to have been any active abuse of the information by Haxton. It would have been brutal if Ike turned out to be a cheat (which HWC still seems to be claiming), rather than merely possess knowledge of cheating.
Hopefully the culture is changing and well known players will speak out (like Bakes did) and not keep up with the code of silence. Turning a blind eye to cheats like Hastings is not a good option.
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08-13-2015 , 11:42 AM
Yes, keeping the info to himself (ESPECIALLY in light of being a sponsored pro) to maintain an edge on players not in the know qualifies as sinister imo.

Although there does seem to be a disagreement about what if any edge was gained by Ike.

I think you are being purposely naive by stating not much.

I'm not saying Ike is BH scum here by any stretch. But he acted unethically at the very least. And is a borderline cheat at the very worst. (But again, not BH level of a cheat).
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08-13-2015 , 11:52 AM
You should probably read Ike's posts before you go on posting like a moron.

His posts are also easily verifiable to make make sure he is being truthful.
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08-13-2015 , 11:55 AM
(snap!) how so?
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08-13-2015 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by vazdog33
Yes, keeping the info to himself (ESPECIALLY in light of being a sponsored pro) to maintain an edge on players not in the know qualifies as sinister imo.
Ike only played part of one SCOOP tournament knowing who Noel/Brian was. Brian didn't tell him he was Noel until they ended up at the same table during the tournament. They did not play together after that.

Yeah, ike had a slight edge for a few hands in a tournament. What do you want him to have done? Quit playing in the middle of the tournament? Got on the red phone direct line to stars security and get them to shut the tourney down until Noel was investigated and DQ'd so the tourney could continue without him having an edge? Opened up a few SnGs to negate his advantage?
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08-13-2015 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Ike only played part of one SCOOP tournament knowing who Noel/Brian was. Brian didn't tell him he was Noel until they ended up at the same table during the tournament. They did not play together after that.

Yeah, ike had a slight edge for a few hands in a tournament. What do you want him to have done? Quit playing in the middle of the tournament? Got on the red phone direct line to stars security and get them to shut the tourney down until Noel was investigated and DQ'd so the tourney could continue without him having an edge? Opened up a few SnGs to negate his advantage?
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