While we can't attribute it to any one individual it seems absolutely clear that Ike posted because of the large amount of pressure generated by these threads. Hotwarmcold definitely helped amplify the pressure, even if you don't agree with his posts or style.

For example HWC started the thread in ATF that resulted in Sklansky weighing in and saying yes he thought Ike should respond. And yet HWC is taking a bit of heat for starting that very thread.

Gregorio, regarding your quote above, why don't you think Ike and PS were ignoring it and hoping it would go away? Once it got traction sure maybe they were making their plans on how to respond...but until then it seems obvious they were hoping it would just die down? I mean it's pretty clear Ike and PokerStars weren't going to start their own thread announcing that Hastings was multiaccounting and Ike knew about it and played in the same games.

Sorry, but no. Troll a bit less and think a bit more, you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

So you're saying Brian is the only person you've ever known to play a different account on Stars? Ever? None of your MTT buddies have done it on Stars, Tilt, or Euros?

OnMyBike, this thread has probably been instrumental in getting ike to respond, and this response has most likely been in the works since before hwc arrived. The annoying manner in which hwc posts does nothing to win people over to his side, and distracts from any legitimate points he is making. Anyway, I'm sorry to have derailed this and am done complaining about hwc.

gregorio,
i'm not trying to win anyone over to my side & i'm not trying to win a popularity contest. and you are free to find me annoying--but i couldn't care less. i am trying help out these scumbag cheaters & clearly many other people want them outed as well.

as many people have stated itt & the atf thread, it has been shameful how some mods have been both purposefully obtuse & disturbingly honest in their post about cheating & ethical behavior. like i said before, i hope these mods continue to post & make their views known. it has been an education for many posters in this thread.

are we going to make ike a hero for confessing to knowledge of cheating & bakes a villain for outing him (and hastings) in the first place??? bakes tipped the first domino, let them all fall........

Gregorio, I think your view is fair but it's important we as a group keep asking hard questions in a professional manner. The way you worded your sample questions earlier was perfect. The people saying it's no big deal, or advocating just sitting back and waiting for a statement from Ike or PS are way off base.

It appears that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg right now (not referring to Ike in specific, but cheating/MAing etc as a whole). As depressing as it is we should want to uncover the truth.

Not making anyone a villain or hero, just curious if he hadn't lost a large sum of money if he'd be be bringing this to the public. Everyone is on Ike for not outing Brian, so let's hear from Bakes about the people he knows that have done it, if there is any.

Bakes, how many other people do you know that have played on an account other than theirs on any of the networks?

So only question is. Is ike working for the good or the bad guys?

This would make too much sense. He would actually be doing what he says hes trying to do...clean up the game! What a white knight!

There's been worse "cheating" in the lobby during PCA. The MTT nerds are a different breed. Impressive high horse's in the thread though.

Also, Bakes, did you accept any money from Brian when he offered? I can't imagine not snap accepting even if you planned on outing all this stuff. IMO, Brian has gone farther than he had to on paying out. Anyone that plays poker for a living that is shocked/outraged at this is drawing dead in life. Yeah its grey area and lame in a lot of ways but thats online poker in 2015. Open your eyes people.

lol at trying to make Ike out to be a scumbag in all of this. He's one of the good guys.

+1
he had his chance to speak out but IKE choose to wait till he got pressured by Mat S in the ATF thread, thats my 2 cents
I think that he maybe playing both sides here, but then again the more i think about it, i'd say hes on sheldons paylist

#TRUTH

Thanks OnMyBike for you're contributions in the thread.
Also thanks to UWantMyGame & HWC1/2

just my 2c...

Gj citanulo and grigorino showing the 75iq per mod requirement

Ike you lost it Bro. **** my credentials, your post can make 6 years old american girl suspicious. The lows

Oh my god who the hell cares.

Should he have told Pokerstars immediately? Sure, probably, I guess.

What bothers me is I would bet that maybe like 70-80% of anti-Ike posters would have done the EXACT same thing. Telling Pokerstars would have created a logistical headache and been just a general pain in the ass.

If you're going to be anti-Ike, you have to be POSITIVE that if you were playing in your normal poker game and there was a reg who was playing on someone else's account, you would DEFINITELY sit out of the game and contact Pokerstars about the malfeasance. Am I sure that I personally would do that? No.

FWIW I actually believe that Hotwarmcold probably would have told Pokerstars, because he seems to REALLY care. I just don't think that most people would.

Like many things you keep repeating, this diatribe of yours about mods is getting really, really, really, really old.

Volunteering to help out on the forums shouldn't mean that they can't give an opinion without it being held out as something special and indicative of their mindset in all things. Many posters have expressed a wide range of opinions in this thread, and it's not like mods have been alone in some unique point of view on the matter.

And no, you don't need to want to be popular or care about being "trolled". But when you're consistently over the top with your rhetoric, people start ignoring or dismissing your posts, which I'd think would be the opposite of what you'd want.

Pretty good post from someone in the ATF thread about this:


Ah yes, trying to have reasonable discussions ITT means they have a 75 IQ. Thanks for your intelligent contribution to the thread. If only there were more posters like you, then NVG wouldn't have a reputation for, um, less than optimal debate quality.

I can't believe you have fallen that low...

H
Bobo if you want to debate u must study philosophy and have
an understanding of reason. Plebos

Ship the 5m back to Isildur1 and all is forgiven

Not to derail any further, but seems worth bringing up since you are firing shots, aren't you the guy who was multiaccounting on Carbon a year or so back?

How do you multi account on a site that has a million different skins???

They banned me for winning $, I played a brand new account. It was no different to the players than me switching skins.

I don't feel bad in the slightest about doing that to the scummiest poker site still in operation.

Can you please outline the cheating at the PCA you witnessed instead of this little brief mention. It is quite boring to keep reading that all pros do this and do that and then the person saying it refuses to actually say what these misdeeds are.

I know it's kind of confusing with people doing this weird responding within posts in different colours thing, but I believe you should be addressing that to this poster:

Bobo,
i agree, but this is a poker forum & so the assumed context is poker & cheating is an unfortunate part of poker it seems. these mods are posting specifically about cheating in poker & ethical behavior. the people here questioning them (and i'm not the only one)are questioning their logic & ethical mindset with regards to cheating in poker on website about poker. i try not to make any judgement about them otherwise, because i don't know them. but on a poker website, in threads about poker & cheating it is perfectly reasonable for one form an opinion about what someone chooses to post. now i am not going to lie, to some degree i do a form a partial opinion about what type of person they might be. that is human nature & the activity of profiling villains is a skill that gets sharpened after hundreds of thousands of hands of online & live poker vs villains who are trying to delude you in some way. honestly, this took very little skill. you simply read what they have to say. they are opening their own hands at will. (actually way more than hundreds of thousands of hands.)

finally, your right. it doesn't matter what the mods think or say or what i think or say. venice was right. what matters is what mason malmuth & mat sklansky thinks or says or acts. and so far they have stood up for poker in many people's opinion, not just my own.

the moralizing and sanctimonious army of dip****s make NVG unreadable. People who are furious about Ike's response need to take a break and stop posting for a while.