It's not just you.

vlad, I think the problem with the angry rhetoric in this thread is that it makes information less likely to come out.

For instance, if we ask:

ike, you said in your statement, " I regret taking the apathetic and irresponsible route and if I find myself in a similar position in the future I will report the cheating immediately."

Do you plan on revealing who else playing in those games knew that Brian was playing on that account and may have benefited from that knowledge? If not, how are we to believe that you will report similar incidents in the future?

Are you aware of any swapping that went on in the games between Brian/Noel and people who knew Brian was playing on that account?

I think we are more likely to get a reply than if we word things out of anger the way you did with the "slave to PS" comment, or the way hwc does in every post he makes.

If ike doesn't respond, then perhaps it is due to his role with PS, and if that's the case, I think it's a fair criticism to say that if he really cared about not taking the apathetic and irresponsible route, he would speak out even if doing so jeopardized his position with PS.

It was wrong of ike to play in those games knowing who Noel was without saying anything. He also acted the same way as would almost anyone in his position. There were apparently many people knew who Noel was, who, like ike, said nothing. This doesn't mean it wasn't wrong for ike to say nothing, but the outrage directed towards him seems disproportionate to his crime. Regarding the other people who knew, it is unfortunate nobody else has come forward. Not only would it be the right thing to do for the community; it's cowardly to allow ike to take all the blame for this.

why don't you call people out on your other account?

It would also mean that his 'remorse' is a complete sham and he waited all this time to respond only to come forward and lie.

...but I'm sure Ike is far better than that.

@gregorio
except that is not what got him to confess & it would not have.

i am not the only person disturbed in this thread & atf thread about how pathetic most mods have been on this issue. thankfully, there are mods who can see through all the nonsense.

I have a theory that hwc is actually Brian Hastings, he is actually being really clever, it's like one of those extreme feminists that wants to castrate all men which actually hurts their cause by being ******edly extreme.

What is the OP's other account?

@doorbread
because i screwed up the email & the mod i spoke to about said to just roll with this one.
do you want the plo games you sit cleaned up?

Ike's apology is a joke. He never admits to deciding to play in the same game as NH knowing it was BH and unfairly profiting from that knowledge. Whether or not he was under pressure not to reveal BH as NH, nobody was forcing him to sit at the same table and effectively join in on the cheating. Funny how he just leaves that whole part out of the "apology".

Good job hotwarmcold2. I'm in. Well done. Clearing up the trash here.

look everybody, i got flamed a bit in the other thread & yet we got ike haxton to confess. i obviously don't care about being flamed or trolled. i care about the game of poker & if you care about the game of poker, you want the games cleaned up & the cheaters to be outed. unless your just part of the problem.

Merged the new Ike thread with this one. Feel free to carry on the conversation here.

Since you seem to be able to look into the heart and mind of ike and PS, instead of asking questions and waiting for responses, why not just post the answers.

It's amusing that you think ike and PS were ignoring this issue and hoping it would just go away until you started dropping your rage-filled truthbombs and forced their hand.

apologies if I have this wrong btw cause I'm just skimming through whilst playing.

but ike as now admitted to knowing all about the cheating, may even be involved in the cheating, and when hotwarmcold just made a thread to let people know about this it was pretty much instantly closed. like I said I've only quickly skimmed through the last few pages, but I don't get why he's getting more heat than ike.

I agree with some of what he saids, but I really think posting every 3 minutes repeating the same thing in a way that sounds like he is bat **** angry doesn't help his cause

roddy, hwc did not start a thread to let people know about this. the thread you're posting in now is the thread in which people found out about this. hwc just started a new thread three new threads about what has been discussed here for the last few weeks.

FYP


I find it hilarious that HWC is going off about the whole MA'ing thing when he is MA'ing 2+2. Sure the mod said just roll with it.......What about the integrity of 2+2? Shouldn't all rules apply to everyone? Why are you so special that you get 2 accounts? You want to talk about integrity of this forum and the mods but yet you seem to be above the rules. I demand the mod that said just roll with it come issue a statement because he owes it to the community.

that wasn't a new thread about ike, it was a thread about ike's confession & shaun deeb. and it should stand on its own.

quite frankly jamie, you have been called out by numerous posters for your questionable ethical standards & what some would interpret as protecting certain people, some of whom have admitted to knowledge of cheating--despite your efforts to quash the subject.

i have asked for that thread to be re-instated & i hope that it quickly is. quit trying to bury everything in this thread,please.

that is not correct. the thread was primarily about shaun deeb. and thankfully the other thread that got buried (noelhayes) was re-instated because there indeed some mods around here who care about poker.

come to think of it, now that people being annoyed by hwc has overshadowed any discussion of Brian, ike and anything else to do with the NoelHayes account, maybe we do need a new thread.

But then without HWC

Hilarious, huh?

Do you think we'd have this thread if Brian had been VPN'ing on $tinger89?

Gregorio,
I am sorry again for my offending line in my post.You are absolutely right that information will come out with no offensive posts.
However, I have severeal questions:
-Do you think that there will be information about who knew about the Multiaccounting,swapped %s,Stars pros who knew about it.
-Do you think that Ike will come up with more information-I think absolutely no.
-I dont think Ike has done any crime as you said in your post,but dont you think that Ike's explanation about the situation is the most obvious thing somebody would say if he got on the crime scene-I promise not to do that again-this is an universal excuse and it is very simple to make people forget what somebody's done.
The things is that he cared only about himself when he knew in early May about this scandal and if that is your ambassador well its better without him.Personally,I've never seen him as an ambassador of poker-he is just a player-the real ambassadors are thoso who bring something back to the community like Liv,Igor and the other who actually do something good with part of the money they win from this beautiful game.
I absolutely dont want Ike to take the blame or any blame for that matter-I just didnt like that he is paid to do many things that include not to say any information that many people want to hear and there are money that was won by cheating.

Or if Bakes didn't lose.

I know this post is tongue in cheek, but there are no rules against having multiple accounts in general, just about using them to evade bans/warnings.