ike haxton is now a confirmed cheater & not just someone with questionable ethics. sorry, but that is how it goes when you cheat. he could have gone to stars privately & told them about this recent cheating & all the other cheating he knew about & protected his reputation amongst the scumbags. instead he did zero & participated in the cheating himself. the only reason he finally spoke up is he started to feel the heat. do you think shaun deeb was going to come in here & take the fall for him or something?

probably time for the other 2+2 mod who knew about the cheating & said nothing to come in here as well and get clean.

I play (play for fun - pff) mixed games micro stakes - no idea why you are questioning this.



Happened to win today, but have been losing recently..



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Has bugger all to do with what Ike didn't say lol!

Did Ike back Hastings in the game? or was he just aware what was going on?

Hastings doesn't even realize the **** storm he has created. The fact he ran so good at WSOP this summer makes me sick.

Good post imo

Pretty reasonable response by Ike imo

Ike, do you think encouraging ppl to deposit money onto PS while the games are obviously not being played on a level playing field is unethical on your part?

One more question, are you mad at BH for being a fat lazy arrogant DB for cheating the way he did? And thus, getting you in hot water now?

I agree with the rest of your post, but number 2 seems to be a big jump. You went from 'everyone has hot takes on what poker needs, but it's such an awesome game that it stands on its own' to 'poker needs a community where x is scorned'.

100% agreed.

are you being serious? he only spoke up here because the walls were closing in from all sides. there are other people involved & this is being discussed outside of NVG.

he didn't go to stars & report it. he did nothing! he could have privately told stars & keep his place among the scum bags. instead he participated in the cheating. he sat games with noelhayes. gonna be interesting to see who pops the bubble on the piecing arrangements that were in place. maybe day after tomorrow?

hwc, ike's response seems a lot more reasonable than your reaction to it.

Hadn't the NH account been playing all year? If Ike didn't know until Scoop then no one would have thought NH was a fish bt that time.

Teh thing is if ur coworker tells you he killed his wife and u dont go to teh authorities with this information that makes you a moron and it makes you face consequences but it moast certainly doesnt make u a murderer

he sat games with noelhayes, he played with an unfair edge, they call that cheating...

And he could still keep his place among the scumbags by keeping his mouth shut and hoping it blows over, but he chose not to. He has clearly distanced himself from any further attempts at covering up. He has also praised Bakes rather than rubbishing him. He made a mistake and is suffering some consequences, but he is admitting it and attempting to deal with it. It's more than anyone else has done. If we are believers in fairness then we also have to show him and anyone else who accepts responsibility some fairness too. He made a move towards righting a wrong. He deserves some credit for that.

P.S. Not that this means a whole lot in that I doubt anyone gives a crap, but I myself rubbished Hastings for his weight and some other silly/nasty things I said. I take them back. I think the guy is a deluded cheat so far gone that it really is incredible. Nonetheless, there is no need for silly personal attacks that really mean nothing seeing as I don't even know the guy. I know he will cheat at poker etc but anything else about him is none of my business.

he didn't willingly come in here & you know that. he was shamed in two different threads & elsewhere. many people and some organizations are reading this thread, 5. there is more going behind the scenes. there would be no point in rubbishing bakes. do you not yet see his confession is carefully worded for a reason? he went from being a guy with questionable ethics to a known cheater. cheaters are never forgotten in the poker world. he deserves no credit, he has done nothing toward righting a wrong. he played in games with noel hayes out of greed.

to all of the people with some integrity, who spoke up in this thread & didn't get shouted down by the mods themselves. well done. you helped out a cheater. you have done something to help the game of poker.

ike,
if you really want to rehabilitate yourself, forget about answering questions here. go on the 2+2 pokercast. if you really want to do something about cheating, then speak up about it.

You're hand waving again.

He explained that he couldn't comment on it per his stars contract and their investigation. This is exactly what I had heard all along and weather you like it or not it's reasonable explanation of why he took so long to comment.

As for further questions to Ike about the details and implications of him knowing about NH, hopefully those will be addressed.

This. I seriously doubt Ike didn't report the account because he wanted to gain an edge in the games.

+1.

I think the problem with a lot of the scandals involving Pokerstars recently is the suspicion that us ordinary players are so far outside of the loop that we will never know what is going on. It makes a nice change for a Stars rep to take some personal responsibility rather than pretending nothing ever happened.

I told you that you wouldn't be happy with his answer either way. You are taking this way overboard. I also don't think you on anyone else on this forum shamed him into coming and giving a response.

Not sure why I'm bothering responding here, but here goes:

1. I never said Ike owed the hs community, but not other poker players. Imo, he didn't owe anyone an explanation. However, contrary to what one screaming moron in this thread thinks, and I think we can all agree that person is all about burning witches, it was fairly obvious from a decade of Ike that Ike would respond when he was able to do so in a thoughtful, reasonable manner. And yes, that obviously includes fulfilling contractual agreements.

2. To the contractual agreement part, you seem to understand the rudiments of how a sponsorship would work - that a company pays an individual for being tied to the brand and taking certain actions on behalf of the company. Why on earth do you seem to think that stars sponsorship would endorse Ike speaking out off the cuff on matters of game security, fraud, pr, etc? I assure you, as Ike implied, the exact opposite is true. If Ike wants to talk publicly about the Yankees, he can do so no sweat. If he feels an urge to talk publicly about the game security department at stars, not so much.

3. Not sure what bubble I'm being accused of being in aside from that of rational, patient people. People in this thread are quite literally acting like it is an insane travesty that someone party to, or with knowledge of, an ongoing legal proceding should choose not to blog about the situation, and keep the public informed. That's just not how investigation, and the legal process, work. Given that this may or may not be a legal proceeding, but rather a private process mirroring those structures, there's even less reason to have an assumption of transparency.

As a side note on the whole sponsorship thing, I really doubt that as much of stars decision to sponsor players has as much to do with things beyond popularity, known face, TV appearances, etc, as you guys seem to. I don't think they have a big factor for how much people want to learn from him or hear his opinions on things, as opposed to the fact that he makes millions of dollars live and online, and has been on TV a good deal.

Lol yeah, go on the poker cast. I'm sure the massively huge audience there in that transient format will have a much larger audience than participating in an active, search indexable, thread on one of the largest forums on the Internet. Wtf. Or is it more that you think the audio interview process is more likely to generate a gotcha or slip up moment?

Side question:

What do people think moderators do? Like, why do people think that moderators have a vested interest in protecting Ike? Do you think we pool our winnings or something? AFAIK, Ike has the ability to non permanently delete spam, move wrongly located threads, and apply reversible bans, in the hsnl forum. A fairly menial task, that he doesn't get paid for (aside from free 2p2 books every couple of years, if he asks). He isn't tasked with passing moral judgement on his home forum, or anything like that, just keeping it organized and trash free, when he has time.

Disclaimer: I think I met Ike once for about 15 seconds a long time ago. Also, I might have mailed him some dvds once, but that might have been someone else. We don't have personal interaction beyond participating in some of the same threads over a long time period.

No, he didn't. Read it again. He does not say anything about his contract or an investigation. He references his 'relationship', and a 'review' (specifically of the NH account, not him). Given the delay in posting I would assume that his words were carefully chosen. ("thoughtful", to quote citanul)

But even if he did reference a contract...what language exactly do you think exists in his Stars contract that prevents him from admitting he knew someone was multi-accounting? Do you think having an NDA regarding confidential information as part of your employment contract means you don't have to report a crime when you see one? If Stars told him never to comment do you think it's ethically fine for him to follow that request?

Sorry to sound sarcastic, but since you're being such a prick to hotwarmcold for no reason...

Why don't you also try reading ike's post again, and instead of just seeing what you wanted/expected to see, read what it says? It doesn't say *anything* about contractually being prevented from saying anything.

And nice deflection about the blog post. No wonder mods are taking heat. Are you willfully ignoring the part about him sitting in the same games? You don't think that's an issue? You don't think maybe instead of insta-accepting a quick post and just moving on, we should ask a few questions like:

- how many hands did you play at the same table as NH?
- how much did you win?
- did you ever sit at a table when NH was already sitting? how many times?
- did other players at the tables know who NH was?
- did other players at the tables have pieces of each other?

And finally...please stop with the witch burning accusation crap. Hotwarmcold may be hand waving but that's a nice balance to all the people saying "whatever" or completely downplaying everything. I don't know much about ike and have no axe to grind. Sounds like from what you wrote he's a good guy. Guess what? Sometimes good guys do stupid things, and sometimes they get caught, and sometimes there are consequences.

i think it is just a fantastic coincidence that ike says nothing for 6-7 weeks & then ~72 hours after his modship is questioned & a few people on these forums speak up he is BAM into the thread with a very carefully worded confession.

now can somebody give me the logic on why sean deeb shouldn't have to come in here & tell us what he knows? why is nobody standing up for sean deeb like you did for ike?