So it's ok to circumvent the TOS if you do it on your own account, got cha. It seems to be quite the double standard..........

If other people get a free pass to play on their account from the US then why would someone else who can't (for obvious reasons) think twice about playing on someone else's account?

Disappointing (that CTS would request this).

Not my call, that belongs to the site operator.

IMO as long as someone is not cheating the game by MA'ing, ghosting or whatever, why do I care how that are connecting to the site. Once again, that falls on the site operator to detect geolocation and vpn'ing.

Unless you work for a poker site or government with archaic restrictions, why do you care how someone connects?

Haha

Really what kind of a ****ing douche do you have to be to say something like that? Hes got 20k twitter followers SMH

If there's one thing this whole debacle proves, it's that poker intelligence is just about the worst measure of overall human intelligence its possible to get.

Do you personally think someone should moderate a forum who is implicated in a cheating scandal & cannot even come in here and say "hey, i didn't know anything about it guys"?

i moved abroad after BF and had one of my best runs and banked about 200k in 2 3 month stretches. but i hated it and chose to move back home and try and figure out my next step.

i thought about VPN'ng, but decided against it.

of all my american peers who were negatively affected by BF, i don't know a single one who VPNs.

it might *seem* like a lot of people are/could be VPN'ng (and i'm sure its a too high and shocking number), but for every one who does, i promise you theres 100 people who play bovada, live, got a job, or are **** out of luck.

brian has done so many classless things where he stunts over people's bodies on the way to the top. whether its becoming part of the cardrunners atrocity at 17 to launder his winnings, making humblebrag blogs and interviews after busting the best action HSNL/PLO has ever seen, or VPN'ng and MA'ng and giving the community the double bird, he has handled his career in one of the most obnoxious ways possible for people who just wanna keep their head down and grind it out.

This is pretty short-sighted.

Joey has intimated that he plays on Euro sites multiple times on his podcast.

The Hastings thing is big b/c he's a name player who was outed by another pro, and has benefited by MA'ing and VPN'ing in high stakes games.

If you move to Canada, establish a bank account/residence you can play on your original PS screename (please correct if wrong). Then if you move back to US and VPN, you at least still are playing on your SN. Brian moved back and then purchased a SN from someone else, then used the reads folks had on that account to financially benefit, while only informing a select "few" what was going on. So he clearly was running an angle against certain players.

Then his total campaign of utter d-baggery against anyone questioning his actions has only made this case more infuriating for people who have left their families or made the sacrifice to stay in the USA and abide by the laws and TOS of Stars.

That's why people care. Screw this guy. His "Leave Brittney Alone" "You Guys Being Mean to Me is Bad for Poker" is a pile of crap, and he's showing less and less self-awareness or contrition by the hour.

This is all over if he came clean this summer, apologized, and pledged to try and make amends. He went the other way. The Thread marches on...

It's not a double standard, no one is particularly mad about VPN'ing or TOS rule breaking, they are mad about immoral frauds and their attempts to cover it up.


To be clear, I've never played on Stars in the States(nor on another account), and I agree that those who do VPN are hurting the games, but I think there's a very big difference between playing on your own name and using other names, especially to get action.

I don't disagree as I couldn't care less if people play Stars from the states. In fact, I applaud them for doing it because it's ridiculous we can't.

My point was that Stinger doesn't have that option because the moment he logs in someone will post "I saw Brian at the grocery store and 2 hours later he was on Stars!!!!".

So given that many other people are also breaking the TOS (though in less nefarious ways) why wouldn't someone who is well known do the same thing, but on someone else's account? He was telling HS pros it was him, so was he really using it to gain edges or was he just trying to play? If he wanted to gain a huge advantage why would he tell anyone that didn't need to know?

My thoughts exactly. Care to explain what is short-sighted and why the players should police and rat out VPN'ing?

To be clear, I am not VPN'ing and don't think anyone should violate a site's TOS, but this is an area I chose not to waste any energy on as it is the site's responsibility to police it.

And to be clear, I don't particularly agree with what he did with the MAing, but I can see why he would. I just don't buy that it was some huge scam when he was telling people it was him.

Word of mouth travels fast and it's a very small community.

So a medium scam then. Got it

Obvious +1 to the MA / VPN distinction

@bakes how do you feel about CTS requesting his post against hastings & ma'ing/cheating be deleted? Why would he ask for a post saying ma'ing is bad/cheating and hastings is out of line to be deleted?

should ike still be a mod here?

and why does hastings keep asking you to take a lie detector test on twitter?

You don't think people VPNing from the US are gaining an edge? They didn't have to leave their family, friends, dog, house, etc. They are spitting in the face of people who had to pick up and leave their entire lives behind.

Have you VPN'd from the states? Answer honestly.

1 page back if you are on 50ppp
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...l#post47782752

Of course it's not an area you choose to waste any energy on because it's not how you earn your livelihood. If I made the enormous disruption to our lives and uprooted the family to another country (which has its own set of challenges), then I'd be pissed if any of my toughest opponents were vpn'ing from within the comfort of their own homes in the US.

You sell books in Vegas? What if your toughest, neck-to-neck competitor was operating a mile away from your shop illegally? This is of no interest to you?

lol Amazon for years while they were skirting local state sales tax rules.

The folks VPN'ing are risking their online bankroll by doing it. You are not if you relocated. I don't think VPN'ing is the primary focus of this thread so feel free to start a new one if you wish to focus on that.

Come on. The question isn't why isn't ike being forced to reply. The question is about how does he still have mod status despite his failure to address the allegations.

And by the way, I don't have enough info to know if he should or shouldn't be mod. I just think it's disingenuous to deflect the question.

That is a call for upper management. You can start a public thread here to discuss:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55/about-forums/
and/or direct contact here: http://www.twoplustwo.com/contact/?action=forum

It kind of is though, because someone of his profile can't VPN on his own name unless he never leaves his house.

What about the backing stables that provide accounts for US players that have sponsored threads in this forum? Is that ok?

Most of the people doing the exact same thing as stinger don't go around telling people they are, so why is he the one taking all the heat? He's handled it awful, but it seems to me he took a more honorable approach than most. (telling people it was him)

Totally disagree with you guys re: VPN

Is it an unjust set of circumstances? Of course it is, but you don't get to just follow the T&C's as you see fit. They are what they are.

I tend to agree here. At the very least, it's certainly murky. Freerolling people who move abroad or decide not to play, and hurting fish/reg ratio of euros.

I feel you and living out of the country has certainly not been enjoyable for many reasons, but the big difference is that these players aren't ruining the integrity of the poker games on Stars.

I agree though that it is a problem, and if these hundreds(or thousands) of people who are VPN'ing were more proactive and vocal opposed to just saying "whatever" and playing on Stars anyways, things would be much more likely to change.

Sorry, but you asked why, and I answered. Don't blame me for "attempting" to derail by answering a question you asked.