Hi Vazdog, nice to chat.

It's my experience that self interest trumps integrity nine times out of ten. And the people who put integrity first get shat upon by the unthinking mob.

As Franklin said, "force ****es upon the back of reason."

*s-h-i-t-e-s

Pls Madame sgt RG, I'm quoting a fellow patriot here; put your gun away

you need DN to set you straight?

it's very likely that he knew either directly or through the grapevine. will probably chalk it up as new school (convenient that he is a bit of both)

The lack of response from PokerStars representatives, and PokerStars pros -- while they are clearly present on 2+2 and posting in other threads -- makes it quite clear they they've been told not to comment publicly on the matter.

Don't hold your breath waiting for this to be addressed by anyone, imo. They want it buried.

maybe ike doesnt want to comment because he played on the noel hayes account too...

Credit to you for not accepting his dirty money, it's sad that a lot of people would have and it's why reform is so unlikely to ever come to fruition!

It's sickening but Pokerstars do not offer a fair game. Neither will they reply, even when their ethics are questioned, WTF. This shouldn't be acceptable and the poker community really needs to back guys like James Obst and Bakes. Not the likes of Daniel NG who lines his pockets from this fraudulent company!

Isai Scheinberg is the Israeli-Canadian founder of Pokerstars. Scheinberg previously had been a senior programmer for IBM Canada. He is a computer programmer, in other words he can set his software as he chooses!

For those you will ask why in he still relevant, it's because he only passed the torch to the self proclaimed "And also Israeli-Canadian" King Of Online Gambling DAVID BAZOOV (The founder of AMAYA gaming and new owner of Pokerstars!!)

I will quote one passage from the below linked forbes magazine column, it should paint a clear picture of Mr. Scheinberg, for anyone who loves poker please click and read the column within the link.

"But in 2011, federal prosecutors in Manhattan launched a massive crackdown against online poker in the U.S., indicting Scheinbeg, suing PokerStars and shutting down the U.S. operations of the company for operating an illegal gambling business"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanva...r-4-9-billion/

Although it's not directly linked I would like to take this time to show respect for Victoria Coren Mitchel, that lady is a hero and the only pro with enough self respect too choose integrity over greed. If only others had a Fraction of the class she showed when stepping down as a representative of Pokerstars! I'd love to see pokerstars one day offer a fair gaming experience but i won't hold my breath!

the problem is for many of the everyday people who arent sponsored they feel had they been outed and caught vpning, ma-ing stars wouldnt have hesitated to close the accounts and take the funds. but since it was some big name highroller, and other pros involved stars is trying to hush it because it potentially jeopardizes their US licensing.

basically if i did it and somebody outed me on here in the same way with the same proof i have no doubts both accounts would be closed ,funds totally confiscated, and id be banned from stars.

Yeah, let's go with this. Sounds the most fun.

right but Stars wouldn't announce they did all that, because they never announce anything in these cases. there is no reason to think that's not what happened to Hastings.

So BHastings is being called a cheat for using an unknown account to dupe bum-hunters into playing him and taking them for their money? People are outraged by this? The same people who exploit novice players for profit, possibly bankrupting many of them who have gambling addictions and problems?

Seems like people are ok with experienced players hunting novices but when an experienced player himself is being hunted all shyt hits the fan?

It's karma. Anybody who lost money got what they deserved.

I can't wait for Adam and Terrence to get to the bottom of this and discuss in depth when they both claim to be "for the players".....oh wait stars owns both of them too.

One other bizarre point: Hastings called Baker a hypocrite. Can't fathom why.

Karma existing isn't the only thing you have wrong in this post. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Hey what did you think about limon sharing your PM in the HSNL forum?

Karma is a bunch of made up bull....cool. Professional poker players being exploited against by one of their own is perfectly acceptable. People are bitching that the lion got eaten by the tiger. Oh it's not fair, the tiger should of let the lion known he was the bigger predator when he was hunting him. This affects the integrity of the jungle!

It's survival of the fittest.

You make a living preying on people then you don't have the right to complain when you get preyed on.

What delusional world are players living in anyway? Multi-accounting in online cash games has always happened. Creating a new acct and not telling people who you are is perfectly ok. Small/mid stakes players have been doing it for years.

And your logic is why people are fine with cheating. How often do you see a guy try to get hu nosebleed action in a live casino wearing a disguise? Yeah, I make a living at this game. Yeah, I don't complain when I get preyed on. No, cheating isn't preying on someone; it's ****ing cheating.

Two players colluding against 1 is cheating and unacceptable. Creating a new acct in an anonymous online poker site is not. I don't play online anymore so I don't care but when I did and created new accounts I didn't feel the need to tell the poker community which already included jack a$$es who data mined sites and shared databases with their buddies.

Well, since what you mention are all against the terms of service of the site, it is cheating. That's what makes it cheating... because it's against the rules of the site, ldo.

Incorrect. A jungle situation would imply an environment without rules. Poker can be a cold cruel game however it does come with rules. In this situation rules which are in place to protect the integrity and the people involved in the game were violated.

To worsen the situation individuals involved with the company that is supposed to enforce the rules apparently were aware of the situation and no actions appear to have taken place.

This is not about one players conduct. This is about the selling of a fraudulent product. The product being marketed is of a honest transparent game. The one being delivered appears to be a game of deception and collusion.

You may speak all day of the realities of individuals seeking an advantage. That will always happen. The company selling the product and members thereof not combating, even accepting as status quo, deception and collusion destroys any hope of a fair game.

The people he "cheated" were people who use seating scripts (is that legal and if it is should it be?) and have mined databases and very likely share them with their friends in the game. That is reality. That is the people who lost their money to BH. *** those people

Completely understand your feelings. You are highlighting some of the aspects of legal acceptable tools that many believe have already damaged online poker.
The subject at hand is a subject that could potentially force a serious review of the industry regarding the prevalence of advantage play and how it is being combated.

With complete understanding of your view please understand there are precious few opportunities to force some type of disclosure from online gaming companies. This may be one. It may be a long shot but that is much more than is usually available.

Lol, are you high on crack? Even the games I played in on Stars before BF were high enough that the player pool was small enough that seating scripts, (and huds for the most part), were moot (if you're sitting at a table by yourself waiting, well, who needs a seating script for that?), and these stakes pale in comparison to the stakes being talked about here.

As for the rest, it is just speculation to rationalize cheating. You have no clue if they did or did not; you just assume they must, because, well, as you admitted yourself, you're a cheat, and so you assume everyone else must be like you.

I didn't admit to being a cheat because creating a new account that you don't advertise to the poker community is not cheating. I've never colluded or used multiple accounts in a tournament. I do have a standard of ethics and morals that I adhere to. But creating a new account to beat a$$holes who use scripts, data mine and share those databases with their friends is not something that I anyone rational should feel guilty about.

I never datamined or bought/shared anyone else's databases. My level of morals was much higher than the online poker community that I left and still exists today. That's why I don't feel sorry for anyone that gets got unless they were colluded against.

They already discussed it on a recent 2+2 PokerCast.

Especially that well known bum hunter Isildur