WRONG. These people care, A LOT. Wanting to be part of the "in crowd" is what got them into this trouble in the first place. These people have spent years of their lives and thousands of posts at this very site crafting a public persona THAT GOT THEM PAID.

Look at vanessa's scatterbrained, flop sweat drenched posts ITT. they are scared shytless, and now the eerie silence. they are in full coverup damage control mode.

Our opinions, if factually based, are basically all that matters. You cant be a PAID "sponsored pro" who gets special invites to televised games and celebrity tourneys if every chat/forum for the rest of your life has players asking, "what did you know and when did you know it?", "cheater", "is that noel hayes?", "any secret players in this game?".

NO SPONSORED POKER "PRO" HAS EVER COME BACK FROM BEING OUTED AS A CHEAT/LIAR ON 2+2 AND THEN IGNORING/ATTACKING 2+2.

These people need to stop carrying water for their bosses (who will drop them as soon as they can) and start answering questions from the community that made them.

they're trying to bury it in hopes of getting licensed in the US. really makes one wonder if there arent extra reasons njdge are delaying the licensing. maybe DOJ isnt too pleased with some of PS still. at any rate amaya's nasdaq stock keeps dropping . i wonder whats going to happen to the stock if PS doesnt get a US license soon. bunch of sheisters

just wanted to chime in and say that I've checked ike's profile 2 or three days ago and his current activity was viewing this thread!!!
kinda telling imo...

unfortunately i didn't make a screenshot.. perhaps a mod can verify this!?!

cheers

Lol, news at 11. Nice crack... Will Smith ain't got **** on the real FrreshPrince, lol.

Bye bye Joe, where in my post do I suggust that if Ike does not answer my questions that I will go running to the authorities because MY questions matter that much and the population at large should care THAT much? I don't think anywhere.

This is a poker related story and this a public forum regarding poker. So yeah, thanks for the feedback, I am really going to reconsider chiming in further now lol. Or maybe just go f yourself buddy.

Now that that's outta the way.

I will reiterate, Ike's silence is awfully damning imo, and at the very least, a very bad look for him. And at the very worst, well, potentially a whole lot worse........

Tumaterminator, these are individuals who have weighed in on countless poker controversies in the past.

Look no further than the Phil Helmuth/UB scandal. I believe Ike has been hyper critical (and rightfully so imo) of PH's silence regarding the whole thing.

Now Ike is taking the PH approach that he is/was so seemingly morally against. Stay quiet and hope the storm passes over.

Can't have it both ways.

Did u get ur hand caught in the cookie jar by given certain info, benefitting from said info and not properly disclosing this info?

Or is it deeper and PS is behind the cover-up/your silence?

And obviously this has all gotten side-tracked by Bakes' tweet specifically naming Ike as being in the know. I don't want it lost in here that Brian Hastings is a chubby, nerdy, non-apologetic cheater.

Bye bye Joe, where in my post do I suggust that if Ike does not answer my questions that I will go running to the authorities because MY questions matter that much and the population at large should care THAT much? I don't think anywhere.

This is a poker related story and this a public forum regarding poker. So yeah, thanks for the feedback, I am really going to reconsider chiming in further now lol. Or maybe just go f yourself buddy.

Now that that's outta the way.

I will reiterate, Ike's silence is awfully damning imo, and at the very least, a very bad look for him. And at the very worst, well, potentially a whole lot worse........

Cmon Ike, give us something!

Can I get a LIKE if you wanna hear from IKE?

Confirmed witch hunt ITT.

When certain Team Pros quietly don't get their annual contracts renewed, will you be satisfied, or are you demanding that Stars fires them right now, causing the damage to get even worse?

The GTO PR strategy that major companies use almost always is to bury bad news. And then bury the bodies as quietly as possible. They aren't going to burn people at the stake for your enjoyment.

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Being an avid poker fan and an outsider looking in, it's been very disheartening to hear throughout the years more and more big names associated with some kind of scandal. I would have never thought I'd hear Ike's name associated with one. I really just assumed somebody like him would be squeaky clean. How naive of me.
Now all I'm waiting for is a Dnegs scandal to come to light then I can officially give up on ever trusting a poker "pro" again.

IMO, there's only one person on this site that can somewhat 'force' Stars or their Team Pros to start talking or at least acknowledge the problem, and that's Mason Malmuth.
That's exactly what he did when the Cake fiasco was going on (Lee Jones worked for Cake at the time).
So once again I say, I'm very surprised that even Mason is keeping quiet, ITT at least, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes obviously.

I agree in theory, but in practice there is Leo Fernandez.

Pretty much this.

Sadly as a whole Poker players only give an immediate damn if it affects their immediate bottom line. And even when it does they still seem to forget about it within a few months.

Every pro who comes on here is flamed and charged with grand conspiracy so don't be surprised if Ike et al are reluctant to put in an appearance.

Can someone please tell me whats going on ? this thread is ****ed up

In summary:

Brian Hastings, for reasons unknown, but not excluding:

- desire to play from US anonymously
- desire to exploit bum-hunters
- desire to undo the moral fabric of the pokerverse

purchased the account of Noelhayes who is

- a playboy, nouveau riche Irishman
- Brian Hastings' alter ego
- both

and proceeded to tell selected friends that he had done so.

As a result

- players got mad because they had lost money to him, or
- players wouldn't have played him if they'd known
- players got mad because those people in whom he confided should have said something to:
-the players at large
-to Pokerstars
-to the galactic poker police

and now everything is upside down because if you can't trust Ike or Bakes to step forward and unilaterally stake their career on hazy facts and conjecture -or - risk their rep on 2+2 by diving in with opinion and being ripped apart by the scientifically aligned, intellectually rigorous 2+2 community, well then what can you rely upon?

And the world is asplode because people can choose to play on Pokerstars or not (it is a consumer product) and want to, but don't like the silence, even though silence probably means that a minor functionary of Pokerstars looks in each week and says, "LOL - 81 ppl think we're bad but 99,999,979 think we're OKs" and moves on.

Daniel Neg is posting the the NLHE good for poker poll. Hopefully he comes in here and sets us all straight.

lol, yeah, he's just missed this thread for the month it's been up here. My sources tell me he's definitely posting within the hour!

do you actually think he posted and then looked around and said to himself
" what's this? a thread about hastings? Noel Hayes? WTF I better see what this is all about. Maybe I should weigh in?"

Sarcasm...

10,000,060

Tafferboy,

I think that's a pretty good all around summary.

I just have an issue with Ike, who has opined on a wide variety of poker controversies, staying silent after being singled out by Bakes.

So the minute he gets a sponsorship deal any personal integrity that he had goes completely out the window? If so, why so critical of Phil Helmuth and his lack of transperacy in the UB/AP scandal.

Just seems disgustingly hypocritical.

And I don't know, while you're obviously purposely trying to downplay everything with statements like it not being reported to the "galactic poker police" etc.

I believe it's an issue if Ike was made aware of the situation, played in the same games as Noel Hayes, and failed to tell anyone.

What is so wrong with wanting to play in a fairly run game. And if something does seem out of whack, expecting the site running the games to take a good hard look at what's going on while being transparent with their customers.

In before reality check required. Which I really can't argue against, I guess. Sigh.