Pretty clear they want someone to read the thread for them.

Good pros turning scummy? Naw I think the games' been bled dry, and this is a natural outcome...can't blame a starving nation can you?

If you think that you or anyone else are "provoking" anyone from PokerStars into coming out and saying anything because of a thread on 2p2 you are mental.

The only confirmed cheater we have is Brian Hastings; we have proof of that where he admits it to Bakes in a PM. There is no proof that Ike knew, or that Stars knew (if there is and I've missed it itt I apologise), other than Bakes' word.

sometimes i wonder, do i need to point out something that any thinking human would know? are people gonna just be like, "ldo active posters have STFU in the face of credible accusations with no statement from their boss, thanks for the coverup info captain obvious". but then a hoard of dupes like you come along, and make me look smart, and feel good. thank you friend. i couldnt do this without you.

u really think a pro who plays regularly online with one account suddenly not playing at all online for long lengths of time (ie switched to using a different account) wouldnt be noticeable to PS on some level? thats assuming he wasnt switching between the two accounts back and forth and just abandoned his acct for a significant length the other highstakes players knew was his.

the way he did it i dont know but one would think with all the monitoring ps does of accounts and the limited number of people playing at such high stakes PS certainly could've seen/known something was off.

the truth is it is so easy to MA. i dont feel its acceptable to do so but it is very easy to do so and very difficult for PS to stop it fully

I'm with Limon here. No information is still information.

What kind of evidence are you expecting? Ike is silent, Pokerstars are silent and Vanessa says basically everyone does it and not only that, but a lot of worse things are going on as well.

Haha... so, just to confirm, you have no proof? Thanks.

Lee Jones, Isaac Haston, Jason Mercier and anyone else mentioned or 'accused' of anything in this thread are all more then welcome to respond and explain themselves.
Any idea why nobody does so far?

uh, we provoked vanessa to come out and look entitled, lost and detached. the "edit" button got mashed, a lot.

this community gets results.

u r dum.

Id bet ur a winning player based on this line alone.

Also in regards to "coalition":

I see great potential for cooperative gain here.

complete radio silence from active posters and their bosses is a coverup by definition. wow. this is too easy.

Seeing how she wasn't involved whatsoever I hardly think you've "provoked" her into a response.

You still haven't shown me proof of anything you say to be true

Edit: just saw your post above. That isn't proof; that's something you are assuming to be true! Last chance... do you have any proof?!

you reach, i teach. keep apologizing!


"Cover-up (wiki)

A cover-up is an attempt, whether successful or not, to conceal evidence of wrongdoing, error, incompetence or other embarrassing information. In a passive cover-up, information is simply not provided; in an active cover-up, deception is used."

how do i own you? let me count the ways....

This discussion will never get anywhere with obvious disruptors and bad poker players.

Gazzy u aren't getting spoon fed an evidence locker and a judgement/verdict. You have to use logic and intuition. Poker is a game of hidden information and we are talking about Poker PROFFESIONALS here. You have to stop typing and think for a bit...

also read this thread somewhat so you understand what the topic is about.

That's... that's the definition of a cover up. That's not proof of a cover up from PokerStars with regards to them allegedly knowing about Brian Hastings' multi-accounting. Again, that's... that's just the definition of what a cover up is.

I've asked you several times, you have not been able to provide. I think I win

Good bye.

i think the only undeniable proof this thread has uncovered is you are an idiot!

I don't think you're following the context of the comments. The evidence (in this line of comments) is not supposed to come from Ike, Vanessa or PS.

limon has stated stuff as facts - what's being asked for is the evidence for the stuff he's stating as facts. It's not necessarily that we don't think/speculate/believe what he's saying is true, it's just that speculation and believing is one thing, facts are another.

If you state something as an indisputable fact then you should be able to provide proof for it. Saying "trust me or you're an idiot" is not generally considered evidence. And that goes whether or not you think what's being said is true.

Uh oh, a bold statement.
Do you have a proof of this?
Did you talk to Stars management or any of their Pros and ask them if they feel provoked?
Did they tell you their feelings on the matter?
What I'm really saying is:
See how that works?

LoL.

You either are pretty dim or you have a "hidden" agenda here. Either way, you are not too convincing.

Limon, keep up the good work man.

No upside to it.

Again, this has nothing to do with what we're debating.

If X claims Y is a fact than X should be able to provide evidence for Y. And if s/he can't, then it should be not be stated as a "believe this or you're an idiot!".

This isn't hard to understand, surely?

Well at least you've moved on from "STARS KNEW ABOUT IT" to it just possibly being a hush hush cover-up after the fact. That was my only point.

You looked dumb insisting that Stars knew before it came out publicly, when whether or not they knew they were very likely to take the same course once they found out -- which was to keep quiet and hope it went away.

That pressing issue is being muddled by people trying to go "Don't ask questions! Just trust whatever I say!"

It's not helping - it's not bringing this thread or the issue any forward and if you think it is, then you're an idiot. Trust me on this. it's a fact. I don't need to provide any evidence, right?

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I've been on 2+2 for over 10 years. You're on pace for over 90,000 posts at your current rate. Good effort.

Anyway, I didn't say what Stars was doing was the right thing to do.

My only point was that limon was making a definitive statement that STARS KNEW because Ikes and other pros MUST HAVE TOLD THEM since were keeping quiet about it rather than firing those pros.

When in reality, whether or not Stars knew they would likely take the same course. So limon can't claim LOGIC about the lack of firing proving anything regarding the point in time that Stars became aware of it.

It's really not that hard. Try thinking about it a little bit.

Wait, are you guys now arguing over whether tangible evidence is better than circumstantial evidence?