And by 'think' you mean 'blindly believe anything I claim regardless of whether or not I back it up and/or provide any evidence' ?

logic should suffice. Simple reasoning shows there is a cover up. These sponsored pros who love to talk and post are on complete lockdown, stars is releasing no statements about the biggest story in the poker industry right now. I always assume im dealing with winning professional poker players who reason well, wrong forum i guess....

Considering the stuff 'winning professional poker players' are constantly revealed to be doing(often thanks to this very forum), I'm not sure that's such an awe-inspiring title as you seem to think it is...

haha. touche. tbf though most of the scumbags getting their own NVG thread arent winners, thats why they cheat.

Isn't our "hero" in the case at bar, a winning logically sound player? Talking Fat Hastings, of course. U would never think by his posts ITT.

And Limon, I follow along logically 100% with ur posts. I just have the same confidence that it means without a shadow of a doubt that that's what's going on.

PS cover-up is probable/likely.

I just think it's also possible Ike took the info, kept it under his hat, benefited and profited from it, and now doesn't want to have to answer any tough questions about it.

Answer me this, as I believe I've wondered about this previously ITT, why would Hastings disclose this info to Ike if he thought Ike would immediately report it to PS?

Selbst talked, that was hilarious. Isn't she practicing being a lawyer or something?

I don't even think we need limon's reasoning to see such a cover-up. And no ones even really trying hard to cover anything up. To me there is a likely disconnection between the old employees that were a team of high quality customer servers and the new amaya management that basically bought Stars to burn it and convert the poker field to games of chance.

There are different views we can have on all this. I will forever urge players to think about this all in terms of profitability and sustainability. In this we have built a game based on a model that over rakes habitual depositors and therefore effectively over rakes pros.

Infighting then is clearly automatic, as is cheating in all of its various forms. A community that has no creative intelligent players cannot properly recognize this and mount a defense.

All of these problems need to be put in a basket and weighed vs effective rake. As problems arise players can get behind a single protest saying if you comprise the security of the game then rake should be lower.

It is how you would effect change and the only way to do it. EVERYONE is cheating and the more you have "pros" in breakeven environment the more obvious cheating is rampant.

We need a complete change of direction for the economy of the game. And we will see it, much like the protests of last November the players will eventually have enough and revolt.

Because in Hastings eyes, he is doing nothing wrong. Beside, if Ike does decide to get out of line and call him out on it to PS support, Hastings will just call the floor on him like the douchebag that he is.

has ike posted anything? Didnt want to read through whole thread but he is generally pretty active.

Ike's not here, man... (no posts itt, before or after Bakes called him out on twitter).

Seriously? I've always had the impression you mostly felt condescension and contempt for poker players in general and especially 2p2 posters.

You've already ignored this twice, but I'll try one more time. If Stars wants this to go away they will ignore it now whether or not they knew earlier.

Firing big name pros now only puts more eyeballs on this situation.

Think limon. think.

Most sites have backlogs of vids to last awhile... Pros can create concept vids, hh replays, review members, play American sites, or record footage while out of the country. Many ways to make vids while in the U.S. Obv

For starters, I'm not defending Hastings when I ask this. But, doesn't a lot of the thrill for people like him -- proficient in gaming and computers -- come from finding ways to hack and defeat the system? If Stars admits that he's done it / is doing it, what will it really change anyways?

Is the reason we're not hearing more recognized players come out with an opinion about this because Hastings just happens to be the person who got caught and it's more widespread than him? We've known about people admittedly (secretly even) multi-accounting for years.

Interesting thread, this.

This post displays a commendable concentration of logic and seems to summarize the situation rather well.

Hopefully Stars do the right thing here and fry this particular clown.

They should too, especially if they can defend themselves against him potentially claiming that they had knowledge of his doings the whole time (which shouldn't be an issue, really).

Such an outcome would definitely be good for business and would send the right signals to the industry and the relevant factors outside of it.

Highstakes transfer thread filled with highstakers in the USA trading $ to and from ROW sites because they play on VPN's.
Pokerstars and all sites filled with bots that rape the low stakes regs and the fish
Yet every idiot is on hasting's case when all he did was exploit some highstakes regs the same way other respected highstakers are doing at 3/6-25/50 daily.

Hasting being on the spectrum shouldn't be enough to stir things up like this. Stakers and nosebleeder trying to protect themselves this hard against a regular exploit is bull**** when they don't give a **** about bots and lowerstake exploiters.

I should ignore it three times because youve missed the point so badly. It doesnt matter what stars wants. we need to force their hand. I insta knew their was a coverup. Easily reasoned it out.

Now it seems weve got Ike by the short and curlies, which sucks for him because its likely he is just act 2 in this 3 part drama which goes to stars mgmt. Legit players in these games are calling him out on twitter and here with evidence, normally he would snap respond but there is dead silence. THE COVERUP IS AFOOT. they want this to go away. ITS NOT.

At this point w/ his rep tarnished stars should just pay him 100k or w/e to take the bullet. He cant be a sponsored pro anymore if he participated in games w/ paying customers with secret info about MAers and VPNs in their midst so taking the bullet and letting everyone else of the hook would be the logical play.

a few of the smartest people ive ever conversed with are real poker pros from these forums. Most of the dumbest people ive ever conversed with are the whack azz wannabes that infest this place. I always hope for the best.

For those just tuning in this is a very key post in the thread and re: limon sitting at a table with a default gto strategy (rather than initially exploitative).

Alan's response is interesting as well.
So much notes to take.

I'm with you in coalition

As for the logic, it is just as easy to show and damning that nearly every player is cheating and ghosting via skype and other such methods. In bad ways too.

To be clear, I'm saying i KNOW its going on, and I know that many many many other players also KNOW its going on. And by "it's" and "going on" I mean that nearly all players are cheating and playing unfairly by any reasonable standard.

I have some ideas to fix this, but first we have to admit it. We have a MA and ghosting problem, we need a seance...I know how to do it. Prob starts with me and Limon and AJ.

Also when Selbst thought she was making a point by saying everyone is doing way worse and she knows was a lot of evidence I thought. Especially since she is also a stars pro.

Zero chance she is good at poker or anyone who argues with me on that FACT.

Prove there was a cover up or for the love of God shut the **** up. You are embarrassing yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f5Cpq-ZVjo

You remind me of this guy.

radio silence by Ike, stars pros obv told to STFU in the face of revelations he knew from Bakes is a coverup you moron.

+obvious implicate collusion ftw

No, I asked for proof... hard evidence. Not "well X happened and now I think Y isn't saying anything coz it's obvious Z told Y to stop talking about X."

I'll ask again... cold, hard proof or gtfo.

Not sure if serious...
The only way to prove anything is if Stars or Stars pros start talking you understand that right?
And the only thing we can do to 'force' Stars or Stars pro to talk is to keep provoking them.

There is some shuting the **** uping needed yes but not by limon or anyone challenging these cheaters.
Look closer to home for that.