So to act as a family, what should we do? Chop off Hasting's fingers and make it look like a kitchen accident so he doesn't do it again?

Another poster summarised her post.
"LOL, Newbs, cheating iz super standard."

Someone should edit something together using scene from
Breaking Bad where Jesse screams "he can't keep getting away with it!" Lol.

Whose responses in this thread have been the worst:

Brian Hastings

Vanessa Selbst

Ike Haxton

this sounds like a insider with inside perspective who wants to out something but is to scared to do it for fear of loss job or something. sounds like somebody who knows something for sure is wrong and has a moral dillemmas its clearly his job if they figure out who this 2+2 account is linked to if he outs it

This thread is hilarious. Obviously Deepthroatinfo is just a random stoner who is trolling you all.

And to everyone else in this thread: R-E-L-A-X

DTI, have you ever been banned at 2+2 before?

Ike's been the worst=reason-he pulls ppl up for misquoting stuff but silence here is telling.


Since the question of being a snitch came-up with those deleted photoshops i have a dilemma.
If a friend of mine was batting on a different field i would never inform on them, does that make me a hypocrite?

How can one be friends with this guy?

What is the definition of 'actually in it'? I thought I was actually in it, until I realized the news of shadiness wasn't getting to me.

I thought you were saying you were 'actually in it' but you said afterwards that you don't know anyone acting improperly

So it seems like neither of us are 'actually in it'

Also are you calling me personally a hypocrite, the same way that Brian has multiple times over twitter?

All faith in humanity and poker community lost after reading this thread.

Hastings is a known douche - but I really thought Selbst was in another class. Totally befuddled by her contributions to this thread.

How does Bakes get cheated and get labeled a hypocrite?

Hastings and Selbst. Two smart ppl. Don't think they could come across any worse if they tried.

And like a poster just mentioned, it's pretty clear that Ike's silence is telling. But perhaps he's seeing how badly Hastings and Selbst messed things up that he's not about to start posting. I just think it must have been nice to be privy to the information at the start of SCOOP that Brian Hastings was playing under the Noel Hayes account.

And not just being aware of the information. He was aware of the information while playing in the same games. While others were not aware.

Gross.

Lol at him being genuine there. He says his MAing was years ago before BF when it 'wasn't a big deal', it was very much a big deal at that point in time. He also took a long time to admit that he did it, repeating the question back to the interviewer multiple times, and pulled the whole 'people don't like me for whatever reason' and 'people get upset when they lose' which is a huge tell. He also said he didn't MA for nefarious reasons, then when specifically asked why he did it he talked about wanting to play a guy (who he had a big edge on) who wouldn't play him under his own account. All of that combined with lots of rants about people being jealous, 'it is what it is', differentiating between MAing and superusing, didn't specifically say that MAing is cheating in today's environment ('yes and no'), bla bla, amazing that you could listen to that and think he's approaching the topic genuinely.

+1

as someone who has been directly effected by this cheating, i just wanted to chime in and say thanks for asking brian in person about it. Obv his responses are quite laughable.

i am supposed to chat with him about the whole situation in florida coming up and hopefully settle the Fantasy WSOP bets. should be interesting.

Bull****.
You characterize it as 'stooping to their level', I don't see any 'stooping' going on at all. Its the reality of that particular world. When there are tens/hundreds of thousands, even millions on the line and you're playing against "online poker trackers", there is no 'ethical obligation' whatsoever to bear your game liable to completely standard, universally used systems that undermine the very 'integrity' you advocate for.

"BUT I WANT ONLINE POKER TO BE HONEST!"

Well too ****ing bad. It isn't (and it never, ever has been). That is my point. Cry until your tear ducts are spraying ash. Nothing on this earth is going to change MA'ing in the database era. Nothing. Money + Motivation guarantees this. It has motivated man for thousands of years and will continue to do so regardless of polemic whinging about some narrow constraint of "honesty".

"BUT I DON'T LIKE THAT! I WANT IT TO BE A THEORETICALLY IDEAL WAY AND NOT THIS TRICKIER WAY WHERE PEOPLE SHOOT ANGLES!"

... and behold, my entire point about the naivete of the 'honest man'. All this garbage about "the poker community" and being "good for poker" is ****ing gibber. "Good for the game" has become an emotional refuge of scoundrels with agendas (ie, winning players) and/or losers who will never be relevant to the game, so championing its 'well being' as a moralistic abstraction is the only cheap high road that lets them feel like they're a participant, beyond being a cheeseburger stake donator.

The drunk, rich guy DOES prove the point but again, we see the naive ideologue flabbergasted by reality. Nobody is advocating for the robber but some people are able to comprehend his motivations without first filtering their actions through a set of 'morals' that turns them into ****ing pigeons that wind up getting plucked.

That's what you and your kind are.

And if the mugger gets busted everyone defends him so he doesn't go to jail because c'mon the rich guy was just asking for it and everyone does it right?

The difference between coke and pot ITT

That is outrageous behaviour from him in any normal circumstance and on day 5 of the WSOP main it is unbelievable. Truly does think he is above everyone else.

Thanks for sharing IYFA.

So Bakes alleges that Ike was told by BH that BH would be playing the NH account before the start of the SCOOP.

And Ike feels no need to formally respond?

Does he no longer log onto 2+2?

Is he under orders from PS to NOT respond?

Is it a decision he's made on his own to NOT respond? As perhaps there is no good response?

Or perhaps, he rightly believes that there's no need to respond itt because it has nothing to do with anybody here but like 3 or 4 people.

Oh but he reps PokerStars? That means ****all.

Just out of curiosity, how are all of theses poker coaches who post all of videos playing? Are they in other countries or are they using Vpn? I mean if they go from Vegas one day to posting vids the next how are they doing it? Also do we honestly believe every pro relocated to play online.?

Obviously no one can make Ike say anything if he doesn't want to. And, of course, you are free to think that his silence is justified. But, imo, being a rep does matter.

Stars doesn't just cut checks because it likes certain players or because it wants to inject more money into the poker economy. They specifically pick certain people to rep the company and hold them out as examples of aspirational players. So, the patch should mean something, and players shouldn't cash the checks if they don't want the additional obligations and scrutiny that come with it. And Stars shouldn't pay people unless it is comfortable with the idea that players might hold it accountable for the actions of their reps. This is especially when we aren't just talking about inappropriate comments or off-felt behavior, but actions that could have (a) actually undermined the integrity of some of the highest stakes games on the site and (b) could have placed the company in legal jeopardy from the DOJ and other regulators.

Lol

Ike is a frequent contributor on here. Frequently opining on matters that involve the community at large. Him turning a blind eye to this is both damning to his character, but also speaks volumes as to his potential wrongdoing in this.

Although this is one big circle jerk, because if you believe limon and that other whackadoo DeepThroat, this is one big cover-up by PS and they are not allowing Ike to comment.

I guess no comment is > that awful garbage that Vanessa Selbst was spewing.

Ike, dnegs, selbst, etc. have contracts. Protecting the brand, tos, poker ethics are all covered in that contract as i showed in my snippet. If Stars wanted to look "tough on crime" they would insta suspend/fire any sponsored pro who unethically withheld information of cheating from the poker room management and PROFITED from said cheating by having secret information of site tos violations not available to other players.

Some moron tried spouting contract law earlier but stars has enough cover in the simplest contract to suspend or fire any sponsored pro for any reason if they are perceived to be hurting the brand which Ike and Vanessa are obv doing here through their statements AND their silence. see also: NBC firing Trump or Subway firing Jerod.

think people. think. stars knew.