Wouldn't it make more sense if "Deep Throat" was Sonya... LOL (sorry Sonya no disrespect as Brian's girlfriend. just a jab on my part at bad humor).. But I am sure the lovely couple is laughing together after reading all of these posts. Saying, finally someone understands why Hastings cannot speak publically on the matter (as he is being hushed by the legal teams involved).

Sort of his attorney saying to PokerStars, my client Mr. Hastings will keep quiet on all matters related to PokerStars and their sponsored Pro's involvement/knowledge... all in exchange for him (Hastings) keeping any and all monies won playing from Florida (or thru VPN elsewhere) and under the Noel Hayes account.

Win-Win for Pokerstars and Mr. Hastings... and in time, this blows over as the poker community moves on to the next scandal.

I work in the poker media/training and am a site "pro" for Live At The Bike. Ive worked with many sponsored pros and partnered at other sites.

These "front page" pros are cliquish but theyre not stupid and even if some are stupid they are far more greedy. No way any of them are giving up a gravy train of sponsorship money and tourney stakes and special invites to televised games and and and... to protect brian fuqqing hastings known "bender of rules". some stars poker room "manager" has official statements in his inbox and they have been forwarded up the food chain.

nope. ainc.

Damn I hate to agree here with this Limon character. But he understands what exactly is going on here ! Please trust me on this one.

I think Ike/negreanu/selbst are smart, detail oriented, thorough, and ethical. Just my lol live read. people like that dont violate their long term contracts to have an unethical advantage in what will be a short lived poker game (with winnings that could be clawed back).

everyone hates to agree with me, but they always do. i drag the imbeciles and rage haters here, kicking and screaming, to the truth. its my plight. Owning threads is my charity to the poker community.

I take my bow to you sir (Mr. Limon). You have this thread nailed and yes even owned. I am sure all of the others will come around to realize you were correct all along and offer their apologies to you.

Your only one piece of inaccurate information (and to be fair it is minor), is that PokerStars Senior Mgmt has already held several internal and legal meetings on this issues. So it is not just paper pushing thru the inbox corporate mgmt. chain to the top as you mention. But your main premise is nailed correctly !

and a question to you Mr Grand poo bah of the poker world (I say that with respect)... do you feel if Vanessa S. or Jason Somerville now know all the details, (about not just Hastings issue but the rampant MA occurring & named Pro's VPN'ing for some time now) that it is their obligation to the poker community to share it (from an ethical standpoint as we both know they will not from a gravy train perspective - nor would any of us). But if they know all of the details. Should they come clean also to the poker community ? (I know the answer but want to hear your response).

Peace

Yeah, the word contract doesn't mean what you think it means.

If one day I'm a middle aged man deluding myself into believing I'm "owning" NVG threads & taking great pride in that delusion, someone please blow my brains out.

Let me EIL5 it for you: not fulfilling the responsibilities of a Team member is not the same thing as being in breach of a contract. 'Contract' and 'breach' have very narrow and specific meanings. You seem to enjoy throwing them around like a farmer's son and his pet cowpie, but you're terribly misinformed. No one's arguing that Hastings isn't scum, or that it's 100% A-OK for stars Team members to sit on info like this. But you keep attempting to build what you think is an airtight argument relying on a painfully ignorant idea of just what a contract is.

What is the difference if your a middle age man or young adult ? . So it is okay for a young adult to own NVG threads and not a middle age man like Mr. Limon.

This is the problem with today's society. No respect for the old timers & warriors like Mr. Limon that paved the way for the game you love today. You all should be thanking Poker's Grand Poo Bah Mr. Limon and giving him a major debt of gratitude and thanks.

Peace

Very good point Monorail... but why all the hate towards the Grand Poo Bah of Poker, Mr. Limon.

It seems you all want the same objective. To get to the bottom of this PokerStars scandal.

Mr. Limon is like the Donald Trump of the poker world. He speaks the truth in a manner many people do not like to hear. So they hate on him when his truthful message is often overlooked as a result.

#Limon2016

@Limon and @deepthroatinfo

Did either of you see the latest Poker Night in America where DNegs joked about how many accounts Jared Bleznick has? Daniel mentioned that he knows players who have a special color coding just for accounts they know or suspect belong to Bleznick.

I guess this is pretty obvious, but assuming it is option 1 and Ike alerted PS about it. Ike is unable to defend himself by disclosing this as it makes PS look bad?

Again, I definitely think that's plausible. But not the overwhelmingly most likely occurrence.

Gonna try some Limon logic here. Why would Hastings tell Ike if Ike would immediately report it to PS?

Despite the horrific PR skills he displayed ITT while defending himself, surely Hastings can't be that stupid?

So if Ike did not "rat out" Hastings, then he was clearly unethical in this situation and a borderline scumbag cheater who benefited from playing in the same games as NH while being privy to information that it was actually BH.

And to Limon's point, thus putting his contract with PS in jeopardy.

Is this so rampant in the HS games that it's truly no big deal? I have to be honest, if I was in Bakes' shoes, I'd be pissed too.

Who n the *** r u 2 say this 2 Limon???

Go back 2 ur shanty

somehow youre the worst part about this thread

Fair enough.. I will disappear now from this thread and let you guys go back to corresponding with Mr. Limon and hating on Hastings (and giving free passes to those that have details on the scandal)...... If anyone has questions, PM me and I will give as honest of answers as I can at this time.

Have a good night everyone

Didn't Hastings admit it after being outed by Bakes?

And so Bakes calls out Ike for being in the know and not saying anything about. Thus, benefiting from it.

Now Joe Public (me) deduces that Ike is also a scumbag.

But he can not defend himself as per the instructions of PS mgt?

So let me see if I have this straight:

Hastings - minor scumbag.

Ike - not unethical or a scumbag at all. He disclosed everything he knew.

PS - horrible corporate scumbags looking to keep everyone in the dark and turn a blind eye to all the cheating allegations.

Again, while plausible, I just don't see how it can be stated so definitively (assuming I even have the above right).

He wouldn't dare multi-account 2+2. There's no money in it; everyone's solid.

STFU, this guy is one of few actually producing relevant info. Until you do the same, please go away.

Either you're full of **** or PokerStars mgmt and legal team are complete idiots.

The only sensible way for PokerStars to deal with this is to come down harsh on Hastings or anyone else that is made public is using a VPN as it violates the agreement they made with the DOJ about letting US players play on the site. That he VPN'ed from the US is already out there. To cover it up at this point would be dumb. They don't owe hastings anything. He's not a sponsored pro unless I'm mistaken and he doesn't really have any marketing potential.

I'm leaning towards you being full of **** since I can't imagine anyone working at pokerstars being dumb enough to risk their jobs over someone how is fairly unimportant regardless of how good he is at poker.

idk about Hastings, but somebody related to the issue. A sleazeball move, what a shocker in this saga.

I think deep throat is private world

I can't PM you hoss. You're a newbie grinder here.