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Brandon Cantu fight during Dealer's Choice @ WSOP Brandon Cantu fight during Dealer's Choice @ WSOP

06-20-2014 , 07:41 AM
Shove I guess? I have no idea it was so ridiculous he just charged at me. Certainly was no pain or anything involved. I just assumed anyone who does something like he did gets kicked out, I guess not tho. Happened pretty fast. Anyways I gotta get to bed for now, need to try to run it up tomorrow.
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06-20-2014 , 07:50 AM
Everyone who wouldn't have done the same for a friend is an idiot. Gg sir wp. Gl tomorrow
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06-20-2014 , 07:54 AM
What are the consequences for throwing a punch at a poker player outside a casino? Yes, real question. Guy I played with at Venetian $600 was truly one of the most hideous people I've ever met, yelling at a 75 year old dude who went all in and made the douche fold a set (old dude got hit revenge, turned over the bluff) and then berating me for three betting A7. I asked him if he wanted to discuss poker "somewhere else" rather than asking him to "step outside" because I thought those words might constitute a threat. He declined my offer but at the time I truly wondered what would have happened if I cracked the guy on the strip. Yes, I would likely get arrested but would I be banned from the Venetian?

If prostitution is legal in Vegas then brawling between two consenting adults should also be tolerated. In all seriousness I do personally make a distinction between what happens in a card room and outside. Cantu charging and shoving a guy is way out of line and he should be facing serious consequences but it seems much less serious to me if he had confronted Martin after the fact. IMO in this instance Martin should have stayed out of the argument of an adjacent table but you can never criticize a guy for standing up for a friend
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06-20-2014 , 08:08 AM
Cantu gonna Cantu.He needs a nice break in the sun......
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06-20-2014 , 08:15 AM
Lol @ people defending Cantu. He is exactly what is wrong with poker. Scum gonna scum.
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06-20-2014 , 08:50 AM
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06-20-2014 , 10:02 AM
After learning of Martin's relationship with the other guy in the incident, I really don't have a problem with him getting involved in the situation.

His friend, who Cantu was confronting, was pretty obviously out of his element in the tournament room. Martin stated that his friend primarily plays cash, so the tournament scene is a bit of unfamiliar territory. Given that Cantu probably knows all of the floor on some personal level, I think it was completely reasonable for someone who is a regular in the tourney scene like Martin to help his friend; I know I'd appreciate it in the same situation.
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06-20-2014 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by unlucky4me
Guy from another table needs to shut the **** up and mind his own business. Theres no way he can know what happened.
+1
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06-20-2014 , 10:27 AM
Poker needs more villains like Cantu.
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06-20-2014 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by timfbmx
Poker needs more villains like Cantu.
Agreed
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06-20-2014 , 10:56 AM
reminds me of hellmuth, seems pretty out of touch
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06-20-2014 , 11:00 AM
What would have happened if Jesse punched Cantu when he was being rushed? Would the floor/security thought of it as self-defense or would he have been banned?
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06-20-2014 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Martin stated that his friend primarily plays cash, so the tournament scene is a bit of unfamiliar territory. Given that Cantu probably knows all of the floor on some personal level, I think it was completely reasonable for someone who is a regular in the tourney scene like Martin to help his friend; I know I'd appreciate it in the same situation.
This guy is a professional poker player who play's high stakes cash games. He's not some peon who's never been in a card room before. Lol, at him needing protection because it's a tournament now and he has no clue what's going on.
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06-20-2014 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
who slaps people?
someone with a strong pimp game obv
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06-20-2014 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mcc3504
reminds me of hellmuth, seems pretty out of touch
Except Hellmuth would never physically go after someone.

He calls Belgians French and stuff, but nothing like this.
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06-20-2014 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lordfoo
I was sitting one table over. Here's what I observed.

(I didn't watch the PokerNews interview, so I apologize if I'm repeating information already posted here)

Up until the hand in question, the floor was called over to that table several times for rulings, and each time, a heated argument preceded the floor's arrival.

When this hand came up, they were playing a draw game. When the floor came over to listen, the dealer was attempting to explain what she saw, and couldn't finish because both Brandon (seat 2) and the guy in seat 6 kept yelling variants of "NO! That's not what happened!" or "I'll show you EXACTLY what he did!", etc.

Finally, she manages to tell the story: on the last draw, Brandon verbally pats, his opponent taps the table (indicating a pat), and then Brandon physically checks the river by tapping the table. His opponent then makes a checking motion with his hand, so Brandon opens his cards. At this point, his opponent objects, claiming that he hadn't checked.

At this point, play on their table has been stopped for at least 3 minutes. My table, which was very friendly, marveled at the obnoxious behavior on display.

Another floor arrives, and Brandon turns to talk to him while the first floorman is still talking to the dealer.

Out of nowhere, a guy in seat 6 on another table next to theirs (the Jesse mentioned upthread) stands and starts yelling at Brandon about how Brandon's opponent plays in Bobby's Room every f'ing day, and he's not an angle shooter; he knows how to play draw games.

This infuriates Brandon who then yells at the top of his lungs to Jesse "Shut the f up!"

Jesse: You're accusing him of shooting an angle, but you're the one shooting angles
Brandon: THAT'S WHAT HE JUST F'ING DID! HE SHOT AN ANGLE!!
Jesse: Nobody likes you Brandon!

At this point, Brandon has had enough and rushes towards Jesse. They definitely made contact, and from my POV, about ten feet away, I thought Brandon actually landed a slap / punch. A floor man steps in, and a few minutes later there are about 5 security guards around their table.

Jesse then yells for Brandon to get banned because he hit him, etc.

Brandon spends about 45 minutes away from the table, but eventually is allowed to play again.


Later, after I busted (yay tournaments!), I asked a floor why Brandon was allowed to play after apparently assaulting another player. His response was that they reviewed the surveillance recordings and determined that the two players (Brandon and Jesse) just pushed against each other with their upper arms and shoulders, and no pushing or hitting occurred. The TD then spoke with both of them outside and resolved their differences, or something to that effect.

From where I was sitting, Brandon should be DQ'd, because although he may not have landed a punch, he rushed at Jesse. That should not be acceptable behavior. As a recreational tournament player, I'm not inclined to play at the Rio ever again because of this.

I also think Jesse should receive at least a warning for making matters worse from another table. Yes, Brandon deserves to be called out for his inappropriate behavior, but when he (Jesse) started yelling, he didn't make the staff's job any easier while they were trying to sort out the controversy with the hand.
I don't know any one of 3 players involved in the story.

If this is how it went , I don't see why Jesse wasn't given any penalty !!
I think floor's action was unfair to Brandon!
I don't know the history of each players but seems like many people don't like Brandon and out to get him !
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06-20-2014 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by HiatusOver

- also regarding the Main Event final table, I misspoke and meant "feature table" as I said on twitter

- regarding the UB thing, I don't see how that is not relevant, Cantu has a terrible reputation in poker. The UB thing definitely makes the list. Google it a bit, he has quotes about how much he trusts Annie Duke and how UB is doing the right thing now etc. He was with them (and also absolute poker) through all the evil years.
We have a video of you saying you were at the final table when you clearly weren't. Everyone makes mistakes which is clear by your video. Perhaps Cantu made a mistake too in trusting AD, he wouldn't be the first person.

Where is your video claiming Hellmuth, Lederer, Ferguson, etc are all scumbags? Surely you can see how what the FT guys did is probably worse than UB but yet I don't see you attacking them.

Your friend plays in Bobby's room but can't stick up for himself? Maybe you should teach your friend to fight his own battles and not worry about Cantu.

Also you called him an angle shooter during the altercation correct? Can you provide us with any actual stories or proof? Or are you just saying that to say it?

The only reason people are hating on Cantu is because he is Cantu. If (Insert well named pro here) were to have gone over and hit Jesse we would have a thread praising that person for teaching Jesse a lesson to mind his own business. I find Cantu interesting and root for him because he's interesting and different.


Cantu takes Martin in the 2nd round by KO.
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06-20-2014 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by HelloFriends
Except Hellmuth would never physically go after someone.

He calls Belgians French and stuff, but nothing like this.
Not true!!

One time him and Sam Grizzle had a big fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxmZ_HxSHac&sns=em
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06-20-2014 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
What are the consequences for throwing a punch at a poker player outside a casino? Yes, real question. Guy I played with at Venetian $600 was truly one of the most hideous people I've ever met, yelling at a 75 year old dude who went all in and made the douche fold a set (old dude got hit revenge, turned over the bluff) and then berating me for three betting A7. I asked him if he wanted to discuss poker "somewhere else" rather than asking him to "step outside" because I thought those words might constitute a threat. He declined my offer but at the time I truly wondered what would have happened if I cracked the guy on the strip. Yes, I would likely get arrested but would I be banned from the Venetian?

If prostitution is legal in Vegas then brawling between two consenting adults should also be tolerated. In all seriousness I do personally make a distinction between what happens in a card room and outside. Cantu charging and shoving a guy is way out of line and he should be facing serious consequences but it seems much less serious to me if he had confronted Martin after the fact. IMO in this instance Martin should have stayed out of the argument of an adjacent table but you can never criticize a guy for standing up for a friend
Venetian property extends a looong way out of the pokerroom, past the canals all the way to the street. They'd probably shower the **** out of you.
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06-20-2014 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
If prostitution is legal in Vegas ...
It's not.
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06-20-2014 , 12:28 PM
^
^^
Prostitution is legal in some part of Nevada but not in Las Vegas .
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06-20-2014 , 12:35 PM
Not in Clark county...
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06-20-2014 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
This guy is a professional poker player who play's high stakes cash games. He's not some peon who's never been in a card room before. Lol, at him needing protection because it's a tournament now and he has no clue what's going on.
I'm not saying he has no clue what's going on. I just think having another regular from the tourney scene backing you up helps your case, especially in a situation where it's one word vs another and the floor may be swayed by their familiarity with Brandon.
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06-20-2014 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
What are the consequences for throwing a punch at a poker player outside a casino?
If you're dumb enough to do it where there's cameras or witnesses you'd probably be charged. If you're smart enough to do it where there's no cameras or witnesses it's your word against his and you say he came up to you and started it. Your word against his, no charges. You have to invest a little time and thought and pick your spot.
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06-20-2014 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
what would have happened if I cracked the guy on the strip. Yes, I would likely get arrested but would I be banned from the Venetian?

If prostitution is legal in Vegas then brawling between two consenting adults should also be tolerated.
So you are not at all concerned with being arrested, but you definitely do not want to be banned from the Venetian?

Prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas. You might want to keep that in mind when you consider pursuing the habits that have entertained you in the past.

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