Dec 13th him: Any chance u can swap boa for ps? I can do 1k ps for 925 boa, normally don't cold im for swaps but can't find anyone online and I'm in Vancouver so can't deposit myself
Him:Nvm got
It
Done
Him:Hope
You're
Doing well
Me: no problem, glad you got it sorted out
Him:guess it actually didnt sort itself out, he said he was gonna do it then disappeared so

Looks like he was just trying to scam everyone on his fb contact list?

I didn't call anyone a POS. I said if people were accountable for staying quite, then finding new victims would be a lot harder for guys that potentially scam.

I also said that keeping the money stolen from other people partially because one kept quite is morally not justifiable. Businesswise it is, of course, short term at least.

One could argue that uber got a cut from money CD stole for staying quite, knowingly or not. Point out where I'm wrong logically if you think differently.

However, that's my opinion, but I'm not going to start an internet war, I'm just expressing it. If you people are fine with the turn of events, then so be it.

miny bernie

Yeah, that's him

His "business decision" was to keep quiet in order to give a thief time to steal money from other people so that the thief could then use that stolen money to repay him.

And you're perfectly fine with that rationale? Seriously?

He pm`d me on 23/12 asking for a live staking deal aswell. Seemed very strange and was totally out of the blue (do not know the kid or anything)

It's not unusual Tom

that is confirmed klink. He has however lost some weight and has traveled to Korea for some plastic surgey tourism. He now looks like:

Well played.

heard brandon was playing Ike the other day and had a little proud smile to myself, having known him since he was a kid (guess he still kind of is) and told him a million times he has more poker talent in his little finger than I'll ever have. Pretty brutal to see the truth of it all unfold. I'm quite sad right now.

Most positive thing I can add to all this is a genuine belief that despite his degenerate streak Brandon is a smart, talented individual with the sense and the support network to make this right. I've no doubt he's going through absolute hell right now but I'm as sure as I can be that he'll face up to what he's done and resolve it. Gl to all involved.

Valid point. Clearly I put too much trust in this person, after having done trades with him.

Has anyone let him know about the existence of this thread? He doesn't seem like the sort of loser who'd read NVG.

100% sure he has read about. he cant miss that one.

By that same monkey logic theskillzdatklls owes people too, since he got 8k+ worth of trades from him.

And I still think that's insane. I'm not 2+2's mother. I gave the kid a chance to make things right, and he made it worse. My silence is not what made him steal from people. I gave him the benefit of the doubt bc of the relationship we had. It was a mistake in this instance, but I'm not going to change the way I treat people bc of this. I'm sorry if you can't understand that. I guess by the same logic, I'm responsible for Obama getting reelected bc I kept quiet on how bad Obamacare is. If only I'd said something...


It was ChangeItUp who called me a POS. The victims of a ponzi scheme are the victims of a ponzi scheme, end of story. Stop trying to vilify me when the person who perpetrated all this in the first place is the topic of discussion. Who's to say where my money went, or who was potentially paid with it? That person doesn't owe me money, Brandon does. If I put money in a BoA account, and they use it to finance a business loan for a new McDonalds, McDonalds doesn't owe me money or free big macs, BoA owes me my money. Be logical here.


My business decision was to give someone I thought was in a rough spot some time to get things sorted with his backer and his personal finances. To all who think differently, I'll never change your mind, so I won't post again on the topic.

you are a sheep. Sounds like the guy tried to scam everyone he could but now that he got caught you believe he should be commended IF he starts to pay ppl back.... Yep, let's just forget all about what he did to get himself in the situation.

People should've obviously warned about him late paying. A simple "completedonk and I are in the midst of a trade. I've sent him money, waiting for him to ship to me" would've saved people money.

Well, I'll grant you there's obviously a non-zero chance of that, but if he's a decent guy that intended to pay back, I'd say the chance of that is pretty low if it's handled well. It could be posted about without coming anywhere near ruining his reputation (see the Ditch Digger post below), and paying the money back is always going to help restore one's reputation to some degree.

If you want to try to apply some math to it, I'd say that a post like Ditch Digger suggests would be like a 10-20% hit on a guys reputation (not that you can really quantify such a thing, but I think you'll understand my point); not paying back would be a 100% hit. Definitely incentive to still pay back.

I'm not looking to vilify (Villain has 2 "l"s, but vilify only one? Learn something new every day!) any one particular poster here. I understand the reasons some people might have thought it was better to stay quiet at the time, and it's easy to sit here in hindsight when I wasn't owed any money and tell everyone else what they should've done. But I hope that what's happened here will make people rethink that approach in the future.

Exactly. Maybe that should be a new standard people use - if you enter into an arrangement with someone, post about it. If everyone did that, it would simply be providing information rather than being accusatory, and others would be aware of one particular person being engaged in a few different deals.

Of course there are going to be times when privacy is going to trump transparency; just keep in mind that as transparency goes down, risk goes up.

I told myself a dozen times that I wouldnt get involved or post in this thread. I used to talk to Brandon on a daily basis years ago, but haven't communicated with him since I think 2012? Anyway, I felt little good could come from posting. I'd hate to get blamed by anyone who's owed money when, in reality, I have (or had) no more info on Brandon than they do.

I used to be decently close friends with Brandon. And while he doesn't always make the best decisions, he has definitely battled more demons in life than some of you could imagine. That is not to say his behavior here is justifiable.

If I had to make an even money wager, I would surmise that Brandon will make this situation entirely right. (Heck, I think it's wayyy higher than 50/50; I'm just a nit who looks for phenomenally +EV bets.)

If I got laid 5 to 1 or even 10 to 1, I would bet that Brandon will piss off at least one person with his arrogance during the course of this process. That's just the way he is. I don't feel bad ribbing him for this, as I am probably close to the most arrogant person on this forum.

I decided to post because, even though I also have a less-than-stellar reputation of late, I'd think that some of the people who posted before me still value my word and opinion on matters like these. People like Timex, BKice, Bobo Fett, KingDan, etc -- people who have known both Brandon & I for several years.

Again, I reiterate that I haven't talked to Brandon in over a year. I simply hope that this post provides a little more clarity to an otherwise murky situation.

Anyone know the results of these matches?

Gl to those owed

Really would be nice if someone reputable started running an escrow service, at least for >$5k transactions. Charge vig for xfers over a certain amount and a base level monthly subscription cost. Just an idea. Obv wouldnt make a lot but itd be a great service to the community given the amount of $ being swapped everyday.

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boo****inghoo. Everyone have their problems but it takes a certain kind of ******* to contact every facebook friend to try and scam them.


Yes, stealing from friends and people who can't pay their rent certainly didn't piss anyone off.

"But that's just the way he is" so I guess it's all good


Brandon, you little ****, there's clearly at least one guy in this thread who's in financial trouble thanks to you so pay up ffs

^^ Great idea until the escrow runs off with even more money, or the govt deems it illegal, or any of the same pitfalls that can occur when doing a swap sans escrow

So you haven't talked to him in year? Don't have any clue in regards to this situation. And you want a good price on a propbet? Thats why you posted?

You think the ppl you mentioned care about your wall of text which is literally just that?

You misinterpreted the general tone of my post if you think I view Brandon in a positive or even neutral light right now. He ****ed up, big time. And because I have known him for a long time, I elected to share some insight.

Thanks for contributing nothing. This thread isn't a referendum on how forgiving I am towards Brandon. It's a chance for various people to share their opinions on his character so that those who are owed money can assuage their likelihood of getting paid back.

He might not be able to get everyone paid right away. He might be an arrogant degen who has played in games way over his head. He's also won a LOT of money at poker and has his share of friends/supporters even amidst his recent actions. That is more than I can say about a nobody like you who chooses to nitpick my post, which I'd like to think adds some insight to the situation.

Brandon has too much poker ability to not be able to make this right. I will buy up the debt at the right price if people are amenable to it -- however, I'm afraid that they will view my doing so as predatory. Given that Brandon and I were once good friends, those who are owed might assume I have more information on his ability to repay. I am giving my word that I do not have any more info than them. And, in stark contrast to you, my word is actually worth something.

I still have more insight on his character than a complete stranger would. Go ahead and dismiss it as self-serving or aggrandizing. I hope that my post has given those who are owed some confidence they will eventually be repaid.

Why such the backlash?