I thought it was a rather specific thing--i.e. you played anonymously on Stars from the US, made a big FT with Thayer and didn't tell him it was you.

Not sure why you'd bother faux-elaborating on the story w/ 3 opaque paragraphs and not just put down the facts when it's a story even I heard w/o being closely associated with either of you.

Thanks.

I guess i have to accept it has gone and try and start again. Grinding micro is going to be a slog.......

Only me to blame for trusting people i guess.

So the drug addict/HSNL fish degen scams everybody he knows and this guy gets a hard time? Only in the poker community...

Shaniac
Shots fired !

If he believes that to be the case then this is the first I've heard that allegation. Have never seen that written down here until now. LOL

5-7 years ago a football player from my high school came up to me while I was at UConn for the weekend (went to college elsewhere). He goes,

"Ricky, I hear you've got a nice lil' business movin' weight up here. You're a tricky little bastard!"

I've never sold drugs in my life. And I was only at UConn because I would chill with Stealthmunk on the weekends (anyone remember that 30:1 Eagles Pats bet in '07?)

I'm not perfect, but unless Thayer wants to directly allege that I cheated him, then I don't get all this posturing. It's like -- you've already decided you hate me, you badmouth me in a more general sense, so where's the tournament history where I cheated you in this huge way?

Is this just a hypothetical? i.e.

"Ricky lives in the US! Of course he's playing 20 accounts in every Sunday Million! Of course he and I have crossed paths! That must be the reason I've broken even since May on Stars! It can't be my own shortcomings! I haven't been buried in makeup since long before Black Friday through any fault of my own!"

Wasn't my intention to give him a hard time. Just a question about something I simply do not understand. I don't give the slightest **** about CC and his excuses blahblahblah. Drugs don't scam people.

I'm really baffled how people think black and white. That some wish the best for Brandon says nothing about how they feel about the stuff he did, nor does it indicate missing sympathy for the people he stole from. I sincerely hope all, especially the ones involved with a huge percentage of their net worth, get their money back as soon as possible.

Also, while drug addiction does not mean he isn't guilty, it does mean he can turn it around. Many good people committed crimes because of drug addiction; I've never heard of good people stealing because they are greedy.

I guess we can all agree that best case scenario is Brandon getting on track, bringing his life in order and repaying victims as quick as possible.

Voice of reason here ^^

His character is questionable but his IRL struggles are real, trust those of us that know him and empathize.

Ricky I don't get where this is all coming from and why you're being so confrontational, I have only made posts about my assessment of Barnes recovery chances, something I know better than you right now. Why is that a reason to go after me for no reason? A loser on Stars? Why does that matter? My 2 biggest Stars scores last year involved friends playing with me deep and never telling me about it, not even after the fact I had to find out through other parties. Yes that's annoying but you're acting like I'm some bitter withered old man, when that's not the case at all. Yes your morals disgust me, but I'm not in the mood to go into detail about that right now.

thats it.

I'm a diet Mountain Dew addict with terrible ethics and moral fiber. Can I get a loan?

Just want to say thank you very much to A. he just shipped me 50$ to help me a bit out of the hole for my current rent payments i have to make, since i lost alot with the "transfer" i have done with Brandon.

If someoneelse want to join the group and collect missing funds/details on the stuff happening please add me on skype ( warloeckchen1 ) or sent me a PM.

@Brandon got you in skype will add you in the group as soon as we all get a update from you.

ps: big thanks to eskobarr who sended me some $ aswell. thanks alot will pay all the transactions back as soon as possible.

^^^ Well, that was nice of Andrew.

I hope you all get paid asap. I dont know the guy, but it sounds like he is constantly at battle with his demons. I know that addiction is an disease. Not that im in anyway suggesting he needs sympathy, im just saying to the people calling him a loser and a sociopath grow up. Its not going to help him pay back any faster.
He seems like he wants to make this right.

GL ALL affected.

A little scared to post in NVG again but I just want to make sure I got this right.

So CD was planning on killing himself. And then stole money of his friends to blast it before he dies. Seems even scummier. Or was he realizing that it was a huge mistake stealing all that money of people and as a result wanted to kill himself as an easy way out?
Or were the suicidal feeling completely unrelated to the stealing part?

I can't really decide which would be the worst case scenario.

Gl CD, hope everyone gets paid back.

One you missed: Deep in financial hole, knows it's of his own making, can't see any way out other than getting funded for more hsnl poker so desperately reaching out in all directions for funds even though he knows it probably won't help, one part of his mind keeps saying that killing himself would take away all the pain and solve these problems. I truly doubt there was a time where he thought, ok, let's steal/scam some money; more likely he kept believing that this next loan or that future loan would be the money that he ran up into an amount that would pay off immediate loans and give him the funds to build up more to pay less immediate ones, but he blew a bunch of it either on drugs or gambling at pit games. He probably also lost some/a bunch playing poker in the wrong state of mind and at levels he had nowhere close to the right bankroll for. I can't say this is what happened but I'd be surprised it was far from this.

No sympathy at all for CompleteDonk, I have friends who have drug problems, financial problems etc, it doesn't mean they steal from their friends, or from anyone for that matter.

You are a scumbag thief CompleteDonk. Pay everone back and you can rebuild your reputation with enough time, but 'I was doing drugs/I was broke' is not an excuse to be a scumbag thief.

Pay everyone back and go back to quietly grinding and you'll be forgiven with time, but only if you make it right.

It doesn't excuse your actions on bit though. The fact that you're capable of stealing from your friends means your moral compass is questionable at best.

Why does it matter? It could easily have been both.

I dont know if its appropriate to talk about this stuff. But it seems you dont have to have depression to commit suicide. (read: high profile guy who invented the NBA efficiency rating) People who threaten it to their advantage have you in a right mare of a situation, but how could you forgive yourself if you label them the boy who cried wolf ? Gotta be there for everyone imo.
It seems its this feeling of helplessness and inconsequence that drives people truly at their wits end. But curiously people can channel those same conclusions in a positive light too (ala YOLO)

On topic : albert camus on the absurd

Gonna be reaaaaaal hard to make any money broke in Vancouver

Honestly if you think Methadone is the answer you're mistaken. It will steal your soul and leave you a fat, lazy bum of a human being. It's also much harder to w/d from than any Oxy habit so basically you're likely making your addiction worse instead of better. I normally don't even recommend ppl going on suboxone/zubsolv but that would be a WAY BETTER choice than Methadone. GL with getting your life back on track!

Russell Brand: From Addiction to Recovery is a documentary on exactly this subject. You're only digging the hole of addiction deeper.

Also available in Mexico: http://www.awakeninginthedream.com/

Not trolling, probably a better route to go down than methadone for CD.

Can someone move the thayer vs. Ricky convo to mttc, bbv or bbv4l? it deserves a thread of its own.

I've got a bridge to sell ya if you actually believe this clown was ever for one second planning on killing himself. He's a sociopath. Sociopath's don't give two craps about anyone other than themselves. I guarantee you he's scheming right at this very second. It's what they do.

I heard the story as a simple matter of fact not speculation, including which tournament it was, etc. and I thought that was the obvious reason for your enmity towards each other. I don't really care either way, was just curious why you'd beat around the bush when the story I heard was pretty cut-and-dried.

So just to be clear, you haven't played on Stars using anonymous accounts since Black Friday?

Cool he's broke and in prison, how does that help anyone get paid back? In the real world he'd also have the option to declare bankruptcy whereas in the poker world anyone who would do that (or use the legal system to say gambling debts don't count) is still considered a scammer/thief/scumbag. People seriously need to stfu about how soft the poker community is and how if they were the ones scammed they woulda done something about it (clearly implying violence). The dude's clearly broke and in debt a ton of money. Anything you do would do absolutely nothing to get him out of the hole, and likely be committing a crime yourself that in the real world you would be punished for, depending on how serious it was. Absolutely no one who is owed money has EVER said what he did was ok or that they understand what he did. They're simply being intelligent people and realizing that nothing they do will change the fact that they are currently out the money and that CD currently has no way of paying them. They realize that the best path going forward is to be supportive of him. If people physically harm him or drive him to give up on paying or give up on life and kill himself, they have 0% chance of getting paid back.