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08-19-2008 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by exotiq
My wife is asian. heh.

Bright offers leverage. It would be surprising if the Bright's were buying into this ELN position. He is well-liked by the family and obviously had large limits. I think they simply allowed him to carry the trade on their books as the FDA decision came unexpectedly.

This has nothing to do with the Bright operation. This is a stock trader hatching a scheme and going rogue with other people's money.
Is that you Prahlad?
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08-19-2008 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by shane88888
So you take a **** on someone's reputation, then want your post removed, then get all coy with the info you have, and now plead ignorance?
I was phishing for BA to post. He did. The, "how the **** would I know?" was rhetorical, idiot.
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08-19-2008 , 12:26 AM
I hadn't heard of Prahlad's collusion assertions against BA until this thread. Exactly what virginal rep are you referring to?
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08-19-2008 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
then why not clear the air for him....?
bc there is not a single detail from the transaction that is anybody on this websites business?
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08-19-2008 , 12:28 AM
Here's a good discussion...
Where Don Bright discusses their trading approach.

Note he says, "We're close to utiilizing about a half billion $ at this point". So that is probably supported by about 10%... or about $50 million in actual Net Capital... and the Clearing Firm puts up the rest.

http://www.fattail.org/t145-Statisti...s-Trading.html
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08-19-2008 , 12:33 AM
i haven't used much of my Business/Economics degree the last couple years but i do remember case studies of bill and hold, pump and dump type of operations.

eventually someone will be left holding the empty bag

sounds like op is accusing BA of hyping up ELN (with pretended insider info. as BA can not know the Food and Drug Administration's pending decision) to somewhat unknowlegeable poker pros. If the FDA's decision was different, everyone would make off like bandits. AK vs. mid pocket pairs here allin preflop (or FDA decision in this matter).

the gamble was lost

Last edited by garylp3; 08-19-2008 at 12:39 AM.
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08-19-2008 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RedManPlus
Here's a good discussion...
Where Don Bright discusses their trading approach.

Note he says, "We're close to utiilizing about a half billion $ at this point". So that is probably supported by about 10%... or about $50 million in actual Net Capital... and the Clearing Firm puts up the rest.

http://www.fattail.org/t145-Statisti...s-Trading.html
Redman you have posted some really interesting stuff in here and saved this thread. nice job.
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08-19-2008 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by exotiq
Fair enough, Tom. Considering you were one of BA's partners on the trade. I am all ears, plz correct any erroneous info.
The first rule of fight club man. The first rule of fight club.
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08-19-2008 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by EWS87
bc there is not a single detail from the transaction that is anybody on this websites business?
Insider trading is everyone's business.
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08-19-2008 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sneaks619
OP was it AMLN
Ha, seriously? My trading buddies made some nice coin shorting AMLN today.
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08-19-2008 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
Insider trading is everyone's business.
so if there was insider trading then they can show proof...if there was no insider trading...there is no reason for them to disclose anything
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08-19-2008 , 12:54 AM
Oh my God. There was NO insider trading. The insider trading angle was a ploy to sell the trade.
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08-19-2008 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by exotiq
Oh my God. There was NO insider trading. The insider trading angle was a ploy to sell the trade.
LOL is that even more illegal? This thread is greatness.
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08-19-2008 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Watchmaker
She got locked up for lying to investigators.
If she had good legal council who had advised her properly, she wouldn't have done a day in the poke.
No she didn't. That was what she was SUPPOSED to be locked up for. The jury were idiots. They convicted her of insider trading. Too bad she wasn't accused of that.
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08-19-2008 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
LOL is that even more illegal? This thread is greatness.
not at all illegal, it's called salesmanship and is a pretty acceptable business practice in most places
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08-19-2008 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by garylp3
not at all illegal, it's called salesmanship and is a pretty acceptable business practice in most places
Deceiving someone by saying you have knowledge that has been attained illegally is acceptable? Ok.
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08-19-2008 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by exotiq
He recently began trading equity prop at Bob Bright's firm in LV. Somehow he managed to con the Bright's into allowing him to take a large position in a biotech. He's told some that he had inside info, but it's not clear whether Bob B was aware of Brandon's assertions re: inside knowledge.
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Originally Posted by exotiq
My first post mentions the "inside info" tout.
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Originally Posted by exotiq
Unfortunately, Brandon led some to believe he was "inside" on the deal. Brandon is busted. When you lie-down with dogs...
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Originally Posted by exotiq
Oh my God. There was NO insider trading. The insider trading angle was a ploy to sell the trade.
Inmother****ingdecipherable.
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08-19-2008 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NLfool
I'm by no means even remotely in this same ballbark as these traders but I've bought a bunch of stocks because a guy at the club I knew, knew a broker who knew someone with inside info (you get the gist of it). You take everything with a grain of salt and for the most part I think it's how rich guys get richer, because they hang around other rich guys become friends, network and share info or things they've heard directly or 3rd party. I've gotten burned before but that's gambling.
I'd recommend you be careful about this. Anyone with legit inside info isn't freely giving it away, it reduces their own edge (assuming they are willing to risk prison by trading on it). But giving out "tips" to less skillful investors is a often a method of pumping up positions the tipper needs to dump.

Rich guys don't get richer trading stocks in some rich guys network, they often just get ripped off or sucked into someone else scheme. Rich guys got rich by pursuing their own business/skills, and to keep those riches it's important to shield them from -EV wagers suggested by "rich friends". My guess is most rich people would be far better off in plain vanilla portfolios allocated with minimal downside risk even if it just means market standard returns. The negative utility of going broke or to prison when you are already rich dwarfs the positive utility of getting richer.

Martha Stewart thought her friendship with the CEO of ImClone guaranteed her juicy gains on it's stock, instead she ended up in prison. At first she was pissed off he never even called her to tip her when he dumped shares, she had to hear it from her broker. But that's what saved her from also getting an insider trading conviction to go with her obstruction conviction! So much for the value of her network of rich friends.
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08-19-2008 , 01:06 AM
has Brandon Adams posted in this thread yet?

Last edited by Cruizn63; 08-19-2008 at 01:07 AM. Reason: too lazy to read through all this
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08-19-2008 , 01:07 AM
Yes.
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08-19-2008 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
Deceiving someone by saying you have knowledge that has been attained illegally is acceptable? Ok.
there's a concept of buyer beware in the business world

people are assumed to know that a Phd in business at Harvard is just as unlikely to know about the FDA's decision as any of us


this does not prevent him from saying to relatively unknowledgeable poker pros that he is confident one way or another about the pending decision that would make everyone lots of mobnies
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08-19-2008 , 01:17 AM
why didnt durrr's post end this thread?
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08-19-2008 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by EWS87
why didnt durrr's post end this thread?
besides durrrr not elaborating on anything, brandon said there's some truth to what op said and that he'll give more details when he's free.
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08-19-2008 , 01:37 AM
OP,
do you expect to keep your job? outing someone in this manner can't be a popular practice at the firm.

disclaimer - everything i know about trading i read in this thread
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08-19-2008 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by federer007
besides durrrr not elaborating on anything, brandon said there's some truth to what op said and that he'll give more details when he's free.
last time i checked...durrr was one of the ones who lost money...and none of the NVG ******s had anything to do with anything...it seems really ridiculous for the mods to leave the thread open and let idiots spread crazy false **** which could have serious implications while brandon cant defend himself...if he wishes to make a statement when he is free im sure he has the know-how to PM a mod to open the thread and post or start a thread of his own

why would anything need to be elaborated on? since when can some anonymous psycho post something and you are guilty if you dont come and prove yourself innocent? if OP knows anything he can show proof or gtfo
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