Are you trying to suggest that if we had MORE poker vloggers

Mirage
Harrahs
Flamingo
Luxor
Excalliber
Planet Hollywood

And many more that im probably forgetting...

Never would have never had to shut down their poker rooms because the amount of new players these vloggers brought to the tables would have kept these rooms alive?

You’re setting up a false dichotomy. Let’s say you’re a small business owner. For instance, a small pop up food vendor. You pay 500 dollars to sell your food at an event. You make a nice amount of money, and some exposure for your business in the process. Later on, you end up closing up shop. Are you going to blame one of your most successful days of business? Or are you going to deduce maybe there’s some other reason your business failed?

Plus, you say that poker rooms across the country are closing. Can we substantiate that claim? Do we also know how many poker rooms opened or expanded during that time? Let’s not assume that less poker rooms means less business. It could be that the business consolidated, or it moved somewhere else, or what was a decent region for poker became a bad one, and some other room in a completely different region opened up and has more customers than the other room ever did.

Not only are you taking the most pessimistic view on the impact of vloggers, you are compounding that by taking the most pessimistic view on the trajectory of poker. Which actually the second is somewhat unrelated to the first, because even if we assume poker is dying, poker vloggers might be partially responsible for slowing the decline for all you know.

You proposed a really good project that i some what mentioned in my first post in the thread.

Without the data, no one can measure if vloggers have brought more people in or vice versa.

If you can code in Python, or if someone from the Bravo app is in this thread... You could data mine the last 10 years of Bravo data and present that to us in the thread. That would help.

The title was about MGM banning vloggers. MGM is the biggest casino on the strip.

The person i was replying too mentioned that vloggers help small rooms... So i named half a dozen rooms in the most popular gaming destination in the world who have closed up shop.

I didn't even bring up the fact that theres only 1 room left in downtown vegas.

Vegas just so happened to post thier best YoY revenues to date, even with the pandemic factored in.. that is data that is easily referenced, which is why i brought it up. If poker isnt thriving with all of these vloggers and record breaking casino revenues then how can you equate vloggers being good for smaller games.

It would be impossible to measure private club games... But back in the 2000s during the poker boom... I was literally getting so many invites to private recreational games that i had to turn them down.

These games regualarly had 30+ people in a town of 40,000 in the middle of nowhere and ranged anywhere from $100 freezeouts up to 5/10 no limit cash holdem.

Back to the original point... Casinos have been very generous letting people come on their property and with video production setups.

In a past life, i did photography and a lot of "Public places" required commerical photog to buy a permit in order to film. Think.. wedding shoots, graduation photos, etc.

Imagine letting someone come into the middle of your private business and setup their production equipment (albeit lightweight) and make $ off of your establishment/infrastructure and you get nothing.

D Lucky experience has moved his operation to downtown vegas to one of the casinos on east freemont. I think MGM is the first ofmny casinos in USA that start cracking down. Plenty of casinos do welcome vloggers (slots) like the downtown plaza.

I suppose i am old school... But i prefer no electronics at the table, at all. Step away from table of you want to text or play with apps.

Additionally, theres the whole gaming security issue that comes into play with so many electronics on the felt.

Id argue that a NO electronics policy would be better for the game but it all depends on your definition of that worn out terminology.

Sahara poker room should shut down soon too. Ghost city.

I found this link for nevada poker only by unlv.

Nevada Poker, 2004-2022

Pretty interesting

https://gaming.library.unlv.edu/repo...er_monthly.pdf

A few ways to slice and dice that specifically. I see if i can import it into tableau later and see what insughts can be had.

I am about to board a flight but just a quick look at the data makes me think that if you compare poker from 2019 aug to dec to same period in 2022...

Vegas lost 100 poker tables... But gained more $ in rake in 2022 vs 2019. Could regs be regging more now versus 2019? Did rake go up that much?

Is that good for poker? Maybe all the vlogging fans.. are hardcore regs and not new recreational players. Is that good for the game?

You missed one point. The poker bloggers are not why mgm sd vlogging. It was the slot bloggers. Poker bloggers got included for consistency, ease of implementation and enforce ment.

If only slot vlogging were sd maybe you have a point but that was not what was done. MGM may have simply decided the small bump poker vlogging wasn’t close to the implied cost associated with slot vlogging.

I didn’t miss that point at all. I mentioned it in my very first post in this thread.

@easyfnmoney “ Without the data, no one can measure if vloggers have brought more people in or vice versa.”

How so? If a poker vlogger hosts a 5/5 meetup game and gets 20 tables in the room for a casino that gets 1-2 tables of 5/5 on average, I don’t need to see 20 years worth of data to deduce that’s a net positive for that room.

Also the point of my post was that even if we did have all this detailed data, it still wouldn’t be enough to make conclusive analysis due to the fact that poker vloggers could be bringing lots of interest, but not being enough to overcome the fact that older players with money are dying out.

Easy is spilling the tea on the situation

Casinos are getting nervous about AML laws and losing licensing because of vloggers


Easy also has a video on D Lucky Jackpots... which i said months ago, I couldn't believe they let this guy do this....

in a vacuum sure. but a lot of people don't want to be recorded gambling. get some people who lose real money in the casino complaining about the vlogs and it becomes an easy decision.

What's a net positive for the room isn't necessarily a net positive for players though. Especially not for the ones who have limited interest in the long term health of the game.