Yeeesh, I really hate to dignify the derail but I can't let it go, either.
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Originally Posted by OldManDecaf
...a few minutes with Google before you post maybe???
Major recent studies in Sweden and Hong Kong. Lots of the studies in past. Plenty of data both qualitative and quantative.
For a supposedly bright young chap, pretty naive and uniformed comment.
Not agreeing necessarily with any defined number/percentage but increased suicide rates (above the population norm) amongst degen gamblers is hardly contentious. Not thin air...just Google...and common sense.
Google tells you nothing. It just helps you find places that could tell you. (And in all fairness to you, I'm sure it's what you meant. But it's one of my pet peeves when people say things like "Google says..." It would be like going to the library to research a topic, but rather than citing the book, you cite the library as your source.)
Also, I'm not sure why you would go through the exercise of being so condescending about the availability of info, then not provide any of said info.
As alluded to above, there is a substantial difference between thoughts of suicide and the actual act of attempting it. How substantial? Per the
CDC data, 10.7 million people "seriously thought" about it, while 1.4 million attempted the act in 2018. I just want to lead with that, in case anyone quotes numbers of suicidal thoughts rather than the attempts.
This
Guardian article cited research by GambleAware, which found that 19 percent of "problem gamblers" considered suicide in the previous year, with 4.7 percent attempted it. The actual study looked at "lifetime" suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts (as opposed to just the last year), and found the prevalence to be at 42.2 percent and 27.0 percent for problem gamblers, based on a 2007 survey. [GambleAware study:
http://about.gambleaware.org/news/ga...cide-research/]
So that's consistent with the 25 percent estimate above. Of course, the researchers admit some sizable flaws inherent with their research – including the aforementioned problem that problematic gambling behavior will go largely underreported. This is an important gap, too. Those who would self-identify as a problem gambler could easily fall into the most severe (and negative) end of the spectrum. As RoadToPro noted above, no one will ever know the exact numbers, and even the best studies will tend to
indicate a conclusion rather than
prove it.
Moving on, this University of Maryland
article references a
1999 study by Macallum et al. I'll admit I haven't looked closely to that PDF but the UMD article quoted figures of 38 percent for "suicidal ideation" and eight percent as "actively suicidal."
Sort of interesting that their "actively suicidal" rate is so low compared to the GambleAware findings. I'm sure it's a difference in the way they define their terms, or the timespan used. Again, I haven't looked at it closely. One thing I did notice, though: their definition of a "problem gambler" is at least partially based on the amount of subject's debt. So again, players with larger debts are also among those who would seem to be closer to the negative pole of the disorder.
This
1-800-Gambler article quotes various sources, including a Gambler Anonymous survey that found 16 of almost 200 members surveyed attempted suicide, with another 29 forming a definite plan. That's eight percent (give or take) of the admittedly small sample attempting to go through with the act. [Note: the 800-Gambler article sourced an original article on Citizenlink.com, but that link no longer worked.]
Finally, I DO want to quickly remind people that with almost any study, the researchers are finding correlation, but not necessarily causality. In other words, having a gambling addiction does not necessarily create suicidal tendencies, as it's possible a deeper psychological condition feeds into both the addiction and the tendencies. At least one of the studies made that very clear, and I just felt a need to reiterate it here.
Anyway, the bottom line is that this is no laughing matter. For all we know, Brad just went off the grid for a little bit, and just failed to tell anyone. Pointing fingers at some past transgressions is rather fruitless when it comes to finding him, too.
Last edited by Wilbury Twist; 08-06-2020 at 02:53 AM.
Reason: Sorry, can't get that Gamble Aware article to actually link properly.