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Old 07-30-2020, 06:32 PM   #176
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Re: Bots and player funds misappropriation on WPN

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You will find, in the very imminent future, that WPN is far from having the worst bot problem in online poker.
Great Caesars Ghost !! Hold the late edition....

..... there is imminent news about to break.

You read it first here, well, actually in the above referenced post.

What site can it be ? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 07-30-2020, 07:03 PM   #177
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You will find, in the very imminent future, that WPN is far from having the worst bot problem in online poker.
This will be popcorn and my breath is baited. I hope it's not some crappy offshore site.
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:24 AM   #178
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i'm just here to see if hand of god is bitching still, i got a feeling he's on a downswing
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:41 AM   #179
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@adewd it seems like you know more about ghosting botting then u say publily.

Just from reading your posts it seems like you stake ppl or are an affiliate in some way and kudos i got nothing against that.

I have seen u warn ppl about getting gg banned from gg poker for vpn, was that cause won of your horses did. Also do you know as i know that USA players play on stars with vpns. I have been told by a super nova elite that its rife, and not just any sne, a top one.

So the fact is vpning is rife on stars, ghosting is rife on stars, with all the stables, ghosting is even more rife in pads stable, where does it end.

Is thats why its more profitable now to stake ppl, since u can ghost thm, alot of backers lose money, the reason why big stables exist is ghosting. I think pocarr is the opposite, i don't think they ghost and i don't know but i think they just go about there business even though there terms and conditions are **** and u wouldn't want to sign up for them.


I've played 77k mtts on stars and another 30k on other sites, thats alot, i also worked for an online casino, i am living in austrlaia and yeah stars banned here, we have a wanna be politician that doesn'sure t answer his phone thats trying to lead our cause to get it legalised which is ******ed. All the good players from australia havn't said anything, i don't see why it would be negative if theyu spoke up. I'm calling out you mjw006 and all your homies.

I actually worked for the biggest online casino in australia
and its prob in the top 5 in the world and i was in rnd which was the level under vip host i get poker and how money and casinos work.

why can't we all be friends, whats dissapointing is ppl who have made it and don't seem to care for legalisation etc. Like for eg papi joe ingram he is a legend, if he was aussie poker would be legal here cause he'd make it happen.

I want to say joey the guy supposedly leading the charge who doesn't answer his phone for two months to get poker legal in australia should be banned from 2p2 amd his sportsbetting friend swoop can be isoloated to the sports betting thread for his fotty tips.

As i speak im grinding ACR, and i wake up at 2.30AM 5 days a week shower toast coffee and reg for 6-7 hours, so i don't see how banning stars helps me

In fact, i lost 120k playing slots on ignition and am diamond vip and vip hosted there now.

So.....


I won 72k lifetime on stars, sure i degenned on iggy but it was drugs etc, im sober now, but still what has banning poker achieved, nothing!

Also joey if you read this id love to go on the pod,


I think you need a different perspective im no stickyrice but i'm aussie and we can talk about chess openings and beers.
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:16 PM   #180
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@adewd it seems like you know more about ghosting botting then u say publily.



Just from reading your posts it seems like you stake ppl or are an affiliate in some way and kudos i got nothing against that.



I have seen u warn ppl about getting gg banned from gg poker for vpn, was that cause won of your horses did. Also do you know as i know that USA players play on stars with vpns. I have been told by a super nova elite that its rife, and not just any sne, a top one.



So the fact is vpning is rife on stars, ghosting is rife on stars, with all the stables, ghosting is even more rife in pads stable, where does it end.



Is thats why its more profitable now to stake ppl, since u can ghost thm, alot of backers lose money, the reason why big stables exist is ghosting. I think pocarr is the opposite, i don't think they ghost and i don't know but i think they just go about there business even though there terms and conditions are **** and u wouldn't want to sign up for them.





I've played 77k mtts on stars and another 30k on other sites, thats alot, i also worked for an online casino, i am living in austrlaia and yeah stars banned here, we have a wanna be politician that doesn'sure t answer his phone thats trying to lead our cause to get it legalised which is ******ed. All the good players from australia havn't said anything, i don't see why it would be negative if theyu spoke up. I'm calling out you mjw006 and all your homies.



I actually worked for the biggest online casino in australia

and its prob in the top 5 in the world and i was in rnd which was the level under vip host i get poker and how money and casinos work.



why can't we all be friends, whats dissapointing is ppl who have made it and don't seem to care for legalisation etc. Like for eg papi joe ingram he is a legend, if he was aussie poker would be legal here cause he'd make it happen.



I want to say joey the guy supposedly leading the charge who doesn't answer his phone for two months to get poker legal in australia should be banned from 2p2 amd his sportsbetting friend swoop can be isoloated to the sports betting thread for his fotty tips.



As i speak im grinding ACR, and i wake up at 2.30AM 5 days a week shower toast coffee and reg for 6-7 hours, so i don't see how banning stars helps me



In fact, i lost 120k playing slots on ignition and am diamond vip and vip hosted there now.



So.....





I won 72k lifetime on stars, sure i degenned on iggy but it was drugs etc, im sober now, but still what has banning poker achieved, nothing!



Also joey if you read this id love to go on the pod,





I think you need a different perspective im no stickyrice but i'm aussie and we can talk about chess openings and beers.
Most definitely not involved in stables, backing, etc..... In this circumstance, I would say I'm aware of something, yes.
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:27 PM   #181
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Most definitely not involved in stables, backing, etc..... In this circumstance, I would say I'm aware of something, yes.
we get it you run a bot ring
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:32 PM   #182
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we get it you run a bot ring
Damn...caught
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:26 PM   #183
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is this one of the announcements papi was eluding to on one of his last couple pod casts. Stating something way bigger than the recent jungleman thing and think he said it had to do with one of the major poker sites. Cant remember which pod.
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:39 PM   #184
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is this one of the announcements papi was eluding to on one of his last couple pod casts. Stating something way bigger than the recent jungleman thing and think he said it had to do with one of the major poker sites. Cant remember which pod.
Did not hear the podcast you're talking about, but it might have been. I think within a week it will all be out.
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:44 PM   #185
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might have been the recent ike haxton one or the one after it was around then i wanna say.
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:09 AM   #186
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:01 PM   #187
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Did not hear the podcast you're talking about, but it might have been. I think within a week it will all be out.
Should i withdraw from WPN?
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:08 PM   #188
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Should i withdraw from WPN?
None of this has to do with any site going under or financial trouble. I believe it will be in the next several days.
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Old 08-03-2020, 10:18 PM   #189
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Well god damn man can you just say what it is lol.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:41 AM   #190
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Well god damn man can you just say what it is lol.
no not yet, im almost there
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Old 08-05-2020, 07:16 PM   #191
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hey wheres the scoop
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Old 08-05-2020, 08:04 PM   #192
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all in due time
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Old 08-05-2020, 10:06 PM   #193
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I have seen u warn ppl about getting gg banned from gg poker for vpn, was that cause won of your horses did. Also do you know as i know that USA players play on stars with vpns. I have been told by a super nova elite that its rife, and not just any sne, a top one.

So the fact is vpning is rife on stars, ghosting is rife on stars, with all the stables, ghosting is even more rife in pads stable, where does it end.
Source is a SNE huh? PS canceled SN/SNE programme 4yrs ago. How old is your news about VPNing?
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Old 08-05-2020, 11:02 PM   #194
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I don’t understand what the hold up is if so many people
Know already? Is this going to be a dud? Lol
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Old 08-07-2020, 03:49 PM   #195
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Old 08-08-2020, 12:34 AM   #196
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See https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...posed-1775516/

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Old 10-07-2020, 04:07 AM   #197
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Exclamation WPN (acr\bcp) does not care about bots anymore?

WPN used to care about the game integrity in the past, unveiling the results of their investigations on Twitter, even doing some refunds, but not anymore?
For the last few months the high stakes cash games lobby 2k-5k$ nl has been taken by the same group of bot operators from Russia\Ukraine that were banned just a few months ago on WPN and Chico (usernames: bloodywol(f), stongpanyi(d) and now 2btconre(d).)
We, the group of high stakes cash regulars, have sent a dozen of reports to WPN security over the last two month, yet none of them were taken into the consideration.

1. 2btconre(d) has suddenly appeared right after the previous bot stongpanyi(d) got banned. Now he is willing to play any amount of tables against the best regulars in the world at the same time with an unrealistic edge.
2. Based to the analysis of his hand history, he plays a very similar exploitative strategy based on GTO with a fair amount of field exploits taken from millions of hand histories.
3. The way this guy acts in chat is absolutely identical with the previous confirmed bots. It’s hard to tell whether all their operators are blatantly dumb or it is the same guy, who played on bloodywol(f)\stongpanyi(d) before or they were just following the instructions. If you accuse him in chat being a bot, he would always fire back the same way saying that you are a bot and cheater, no matter who would say that to him (which is a quite stupid strategy to say the least)
4. Just like the previous clique, he only plays on the WPN and never on the large sites that care about the game integrity like pokerstars or partypoker.
5. If you would ask pretty much any regular, who plays the highstakes cash games anyone would confirm that this guy is a bot, playing unrealistically good, without any poker history, crushing the best regulars, never tilting, never getting tired, not caring whether to play 2 tables against one opponent or 8 tables HU against 2-3 different guys. Yet, he is not banned, holding lobby for like 9 hrs daily.

While it is understandable that not all poker sites can afford millions of dollars invested in the modern security and detection tools, you don’t really need any sophisticated software to realize that the player is a bot operator if you apply some basic logic, unless you don't really care as long as the rake is being paid (which is by the way a big misconception, because the presence of bots is eventually going to kill all the action in the lobby because none of the regulars are going to play against machines, turning the site into bot\bumhunters\scripters heaven)
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Old 10-07-2020, 01:39 PM   #198
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WPN used to care about the game integrity in the past, unveiling the results of their investigations on Twitter, even doing some refunds, but not anymore?
For the last few months the high stakes cash games lobby 2k-5k$ nl has been taken by the same group of bot operators from Russia\Ukraine that were banned just a few months ago on WPN and Chico (usernames: bloodywol(f), stongpanyi(d) and now 2btconre(d).)
We, the group of high stakes cash regulars, have sent a dozen of reports to WPN security over the last two month, yet none of them were taken into the consideration.

1. 2btconre(d) has suddenly appeared right after the previous bot stongpanyi(d) got banned. Now he is willing to play any amount of tables against the best regulars in the world at the same time with an unrealistic edge.
2. Based to the analysis of his hand history, he plays a very similar exploitative strategy based on GTO with a fair amount of field exploits taken from millions of hand histories.
3. The way this guy acts in chat is absolutely identical with the previous confirmed bots. ItÂ’s hard to tell whether all their operators are blatantly dumb or it is the same guy, who played on bloodywol(f)\stongpanyi(d) before or they were just following the instructions. If you accuse him in chat being a bot, he would always fire back the same way saying that you are a bot and cheater, no matter who would say that to him (which is a quite stupid strategy to say the least)
4. Just like the previous clique, he only plays on the WPN and never on the large sites that care about the game integrity like pokerstars or partypoker.
5. If you would ask pretty much any regular, who plays the highstakes cash games anyone would confirm that this guy is a bot, playing unrealistically good, without any poker history, crushing the best regulars, never tilting, never getting tired, not caring whether to play 2 tables against one opponent or 8 tables HU against 2-3 different guys. Yet, he is not banned, holding lobby for like 9 hrs daily.

While it is understandable that not all poker sites can afford millions of dollars invested in the modern security and detection tools, you donÂ’t really need any sophisticated software to realize that the player is a bot operator if you apply some basic logic, unless you don't really care as long as the rake is being paid (which is by the way a big misconception, because the presence of bots is eventually going to kill all the action in the lobby because none of the regulars are going to play against machines, turning the site into bot\bumhunters\scripters heaven)
Probably these guys Heads-up statistics are similar to the bots on HUSNGS, basically every point you made is a perfect match.

1. Russian/ukranian players
2. plays with 8-9 regulars for many hours
3. same, GTO based bot with calibration to the current population tendencies
4. only on WPN nowhere to close the same stakes on partypoker/pokerstars
5. every regular can confirm (few of them already confirmed on other thread) that they are bots and they are there close to 24/7

you can read it more here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...70&postcount=1
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Old 10-09-2020, 09:10 AM   #199
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Thanks for the information.
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Old 10-19-2020, 06:42 AM   #200
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I basically gave up. Bots are not going anywhere. Very interesting situation happened a few weeks ago. I open sat LIMIT 2/4 Omaha table and one of the bots that is stationed at 2/4 PLO joined me and was playing the weird strategy facing "min bets."

The bot obviously did not know it had joined the limit table.
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