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Old 01-21-2020, 10:46 PM   #151
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Justin Kelly and Loncar, Tom Cannuli and Jeff Boski are all bad people.

There is no security team. I wouldn't suprised if WPN has their own hosts that directly liason with the bot operators and make sure they get preferential treatment. Like for example the massive dividend they were paid in April/May last year when the "refunds" were issued.
Cannuli is an interesting character, his streams were entertaining, but he only streams when he is winning which he seems to have stopped lately. Something about him seems untrustworthy with the way he talks and is always just rambling nonsense it seems like, as well as lying about his losses I'm pretty sure. I saw his stacks on the ratholes and saw them dwindle (maybe wrong but I was playing everyday when he built his big stacks up and was railing as well as playing a few times) , while he was saying he reset them.

I Dont think you could say he's a bad person though, obviously not winning enough and looks like he is living at home... Would be nice to see him do well if not only just for the entertainment of his playing style.

Not sure about the other guys though.
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:55 PM   #152
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I was answering bot questions in my PG&C and thought this might be relevant:

given the difficulty to create a winning profile, i would suspect that all the bots are run under the same syndicate. general rule on ACR - if location is eastern europe than probability of bot account is equal to 99%+.

i think the most disturbing thing about the syndicate is that they do almost nothing to avoid detection, freely allowed to fill ring games without any consequences. if they can get away with owning all lobbies and winning all rake races than the automation of card sharing would be a logical step to progress the profit of the bots.
For PLO cash it's definitely far less than 99%+. I have played with hundreds of accounts that are from bot regions that play fish stats or reg stats. At high stakes there are many European players that are known pros on WPN.

Almost all of the "pennyhill" family of bots are from former Eastern Bloc countries. There has been at least one notable exception with a Thailand location that popped up last year. If we exclude this account we can say that having an Eastern Bloc location is a necessary but not sufficient condition to establish an account is a bot. Put another way, ~all bots accounts have Eastern Bloc locations, but not all Eastern Bloc location accounts are bots.
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Old 01-22-2020, 07:22 PM   #153
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Justin Kelly and Loncar, Tom Cannuli and Jeff Boski are all bad people.

There is no security team. I wouldn't suprised if WPN has their own hosts that directly liason with the bot operators and make sure they get preferential treatment. Like for example the massive dividend they were paid in April/May last year when the "refunds" were issued.

Is Jeff Boski really a bad person? Because he sponsored by acr?

I remember seeing him on a joeingram show where they talked about the bot problem and they joked about the t shirt I think it was of Jeff with the acr logo...

Plus it would be funny that since he was on the Postle case so much and u know still pointing the finger at Postle.
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Old 01-22-2020, 10:10 PM   #154
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Nagy wants the bots there. You can take that to the bank.
I played on ACR for 4-5 periods over the last 3 yrs and noticed all the referenced activities above, weird results, having one or two names follow me, etc. .. so I quit.

I was a beta-tester on PokerStars in late 2001 ( my wife discovered the site actually ) and I played there happily until Black Friday and came away whole. ACR could have been PS V2.0, a money machine that US players would flock to in today's mess . But with all the problems recited herein I wonder 'Why would the owner kill the golden goose'. Why let it get overrun and run down?

The more I read here the more I'm of the opinion that he was given no choice. He's forced to defend/ignore the situation. Read into that what you will. Get your money out.
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Old 01-22-2020, 10:52 PM   #155
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I bet it's the shortsightedness like all the politicians have.
F tomorrow I wanna live now and don't care what's the long term outcome.

Aren't they illegal in the first place?
Stars, party and all the sites pulled out because it was banned. (Still is) wondered anyways how they could pull this off. Guess it's the f it mentality or the siteowners that got them operating and now pull out as much money as possible. Thinking we aren't legal anyways ,f it ,why be ethical let's have some bots play?
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Old 01-22-2020, 11:46 PM   #156
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Re: Bots and player funds misappropriation on WPN

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Cannuli is an interesting character, his streams were entertaining, but he only streams when he is winning which he seems to have stopped lately. Something about him seems untrustworthy with the way he talks and is always just rambling nonsense it seems like, as well as lying about his losses I'm pretty sure. I saw his stacks on the ratholes and saw them dwindle (maybe wrong but I was playing everyday when he built his big stacks up and was railing as well as playing a few times) , while he was saying he reset them.

I Dont think you could say he's a bad person though, obviously not winning enough and looks like he is living at home... Would be nice to see him do well if not only just for the entertainment of his playing style.

Not sure about the other guys though.
I know he has others playing for him. When I logged on a few months back to **** talk the rail in a cash game I was attacking him to see if he would chat.
The dude said “he’s at the airport. Why the hate?” Or something like that.
Either way confirmed he wasn’t playing. Not that I give a ****.
I don’t trust WPN. And I def think they have shills playing for the house.
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Old 01-23-2020, 01:08 AM   #157
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Re: Bots and player funds misappropriation on WPN

I don't cover offshore sites, but saw this pop up on my Twitter feed today. Will post here since it's current and (began with) Phil Nagy calling out PokerStars.

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Old 01-23-2020, 01:41 AM   #158
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Online poker is a joke now, for all we know ACR might have in hous bots. Online regulations is needed and I hope segregation is here to stay.
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Old 01-23-2020, 11:20 AM   #159
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I agree segregation and regulation is important. p.s phil nagy is really cringe dude
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Old 01-23-2020, 05:50 PM   #160
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Online poker is a joke now, for all we know ACR might have in hous bots. Online regulations is needed and I hope segregation is here to stay.
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I agree segregation and regulation is important. p.s phil nagy is really cringe dude

You guys nailed it.

It is truly a shame and depressing what is happening to a classic American pastime.
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Old 01-28-2020, 09:21 AM   #161
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Re: Bots and player funds misappropriation on WPN

wow this thread went from a lack of evidence to full blown season of x-files in 2 seconds.. i thought this was a serious bot thread discussion not some 'i assume' fest.

just saying reading some posts in this thread is as cringy as watching the video tweet... (both make me puke a little in my mouth)
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Old 01-28-2020, 10:38 AM   #162
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wow this thread went from a lack of evidence to full blown season of x-files in 2 seconds.. i thought this was a serious bot thread discussion not some 'i assume' fest.

just saying reading some posts in this thread is as cringy as watching the video tweet... (both make me puke a little in my mouth)
Hi again Phil.

I logged in the other day just for funsies, same bots playing in PLO that have been for, like, a year or more.
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Old 01-28-2020, 10:42 AM   #163
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ACR shill detected
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Old 01-28-2020, 11:14 AM   #164
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shoot me for letting you guys know you read as fools in some conspiracy basement,
how about we get some data,facts, usernames and talk about that

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lol, a shill to common sense and objectivity perhaps. gl with your sheep tin hat thinking buddy.
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Old 01-28-2020, 12:24 PM   #165
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They operating illegal in American, if they can break one rule what makes you think they won’t break more. Want more facts?
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Old 01-28-2020, 01:03 PM   #166
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They operating illegal in American, if they can break one rule what makes you think they won’t break more. Want more facts?
let me break that down for you before you embarrass yourself more:

They operating illegal in American <- FACT

if they can break one rule what makes you think they won’t break more. <- ASSUMPTION

im not even defending anybody, this is just basic language skills.
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Old 01-28-2020, 02:35 PM   #167
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Them not banning bots is like having bots. DUCY
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Old 01-28-2020, 04:36 PM   #168
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Also I never said they have in house bots for sure, I said they might. That is a possibility. English isn’t even my first language.
And you didn’t even answer my question or scenario.
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Old 01-28-2020, 04:44 PM   #169
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if they can break one rule what makes you think they won’t break more. <- ASSUMPTION
It seems to me that it was actually a question. One you avoided answering by trying to play linguist.
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Old 01-28-2020, 04:59 PM   #170
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I’m pretty embarrass right now but not 4 me.
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:50 PM   #171
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Bot infestation is still out of control. Nagy spoke to me on skype and we agreed to have an interview set up, and we set up a specific time for a call to set "ground rules" back in January. Nagy did not show up for the call at the agreed time.
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Old 07-30-2020, 03:30 PM   #172
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Old 07-30-2020, 03:40 PM   #173
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just play higher stakes where the bots dont really show up, ez

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Old 07-30-2020, 04:57 PM   #174
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You will find, in the very imminent future, that WPN is far from having the worst bot problem in online poker.
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Old 07-30-2020, 06:17 PM   #175
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You will find, in the very imminent future, that WPN is far from having the worst bot problem in online poker.
can you explain? that's scary to hear and you seem to be well informed
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