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Old 10-21-2019, 01:24 PM   #101
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How are botters able to verify multiple accounts so easily?
Pay someone a small amount of money to use their info, or potentially using stolen IDs probably.
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:34 PM   #102
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I saw a youtube video about a guy who claims bots were following him, playorleave was on of them. When he joined a table 3 guys would join and sit out when he left, wondering if this would be a seating script or is it bot behaviour? Was interested because I was playing with playorleave at $1/2 yesterday while I was watching the video about that account.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:36 AM   #103
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these accounts had the same postflop tendencies as well as some of the same preflop tendencies such as preflop squeeze being higher than preflop 3bet from every position and at every stake.
feck me im a bot too
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:46 AM   #104
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Pay someone a small amount of money to use their info, or potentially using stolen IDs probably.
Im not convinced its that easy to find hundreds of ID's and that people will just give them up. I'm thinking its more about ACR helping them with verification or skipping it.
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Old 10-22-2019, 02:05 PM   #105
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I saw a youtube video about a guy who claims bots were following him, playorleave was on of them. When he joined a table 3 guys would join and sit out when he left, wondering if this would be a seating script or is it bot behaviour? Was interested because I was playing with playorleave at $1/2 yesterday while I was watching the video about that account.
This is super normal behavior and doesn't always require scripts, seat scripts sometimes, bots have those but people do as well. There are regs without them though with the lobby open waiting to pounce

Regs also will snap click sit out bb or just sit out when the fish busts, its been this way for years though, just happens way more often the higher the stakes you go.

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Old 10-22-2019, 02:13 PM   #106
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Im not convinced its that easy to find hundreds of ID's and that people will just give them up. I'm thinking its more about ACR helping them with verification or skipping it.
It's probably easier than you think, there are definitely online black marketplaces where this kind of stuff is sold. Also, if they have any connection to organized crime it might not be tough for them either.

Another possibility is like what you said, that they signed up on some skin that belongs to the network that doesn't really verify anybody, regardless of who they are.
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Old 10-22-2019, 03:27 PM   #107
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Im not convinced its that easy to find hundreds of ID's and that people will just give them up. I'm thinking its more about ACR helping them with verification or skipping it.
I created an account 4 years ago and never played on it or verified. A few months ago I decided to try out ACR, won a bunch in tournaments and cashed out $8000~ via bitcoin. My account should have looked suspicious due to it's age and being dormant for so long but I was never asked to verify my identity. One day later the bitcoin was in my wallet.

I don't think they care much about verification. They want that sweet rake money and don't care if it comes from real players or bots.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:36 PM   #108
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So a tougher verification system would seem to be a great way to combat bot accounts then. Coinbase for example require you to literally hold your ID on a webcam for verification. Hell, there are some discord channels that require that same level of verification, so acr could easily come up with that.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:45 PM   #109
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So a tougher verification system would seem to be a great way to combat bot accounts then. Coinbase for example require you to literally hold your ID on a webcam for verification. Hell, there are some discord channels that require that same level of verification, so acr could easily come up with that.
sure if they actually cared.....
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:23 PM   #110
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A vast majority of the bot accounts have been linked to one skin. Oh yeah and guess what else about that skin, the owner of that skin wrote the previous WPN client software.

Having a whole bunch of cheating accounts is easy if you are the skin owner (or turn a blind eye for a cut of the bot stealing money).
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:08 PM   #111
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There was always a very wtf feeling that came along with gameplay at ACR. I spent a few years earning a living but when I have alternative income, I have always been a poor player. Having sat on both sides of the spectrum, it is easy to accept results whichever way they flow and am generally aware of what senseless/impatient things I do that cost me dollars. Poker is largely a matter of self-control, math, and situational analysis. Not on ACR though.
I saw many intelligent people reporting unfounded headscratching after playing with Postle and there is a similar sense at ACR. It is a terrible spot to be in to have no way to prove that something is up but to have your spidey sense go off. ACR gives you that sense. I spent a long time analyzing my opponents play, my own strategy, seemingly odd patterns in timing of actions, matches played HU against players who seemed to play absolutely perfect against me, and even reported 1 player who I could not come up with any thought about other than "this is a superuser." On 2+2 I found confirmations of bots on the site. Given the lack of mucked holecards available it is even more absurd for players to be able to carry these paranoid feelings about botting, superusing, and collusion.
None of this matters though. Everything going on on the site isn't worth solving at all because the bottom line is ACR management is at some level involved with the cheating. It's like going to Atlantic City. It doesn't matter if you **** me with table game odds, **** me with juice on sports wagers, **** me with overpriced drinks at clubs, **** me with overpriced hotel rooms, the overarching message is that the business intends to **** you out of your money. ACR is the same. Funds being stolen randomly due to "glitches" are not returned until it is reported. How many hundreds of thousands of dollars are not returned because they are not noticed? These dollars land in ACR's pocket. This is theft and completely illegal. The continued allowance of bots despite constant duediligence from HOG and major publicity from Joe Ingram doesn't mean "maybe they are involved." There is a finite time limit in which to address these issues and ACR refuses to. They are, whether by design or ignorance, a criminal enterprise, and should be treated the same.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:45 PM   #112
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just wish poker was regulated in every state in the U.S

FU GOVERMENT
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Old 10-23-2019, 12:09 AM   #113
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just wish poker was regulated in every state in the U.S

FU GOVERMENT
You realize "regulation" is the whole reason that the only options available to USA players are shady scammy networks right? If not for prohibition sites like ACR would quickly be outcompeted.

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It's probably easier than you think, there are definitely online black marketplaces where this kind of stuff is sold. Also, if they have any connection to organized crime it might not be tough for them either.

Another possibility is like what you said, that they signed up on some skin that belongs to the network that doesn't really verify anybody, regardless of who they are.
Ding ding ding!

Another possibility is that these bot accounts are not ID verified at all if there is a profit sharing aggreement between the bot ring operators and WPN.

Yes bots use seating scripts just like they use betting, checking, folding, raising and calling scripts. They don't all instantly join a table when a fish sits, those are entirely humans.
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:07 AM   #114
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There was always a very wtf feeling that came along with gameplay at ACR. .
Aside from all the bots, I think there are cheating accounts/superusers and very unnatural odds at ACR as well, despite having made money and being up on the site. Of course, there is no way to prove this, but I do alot better on juicy stakes and other sites ive played on.

One of us needs to create a new site or this site will never die.
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Old 10-23-2019, 01:58 PM   #115
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Whats up with the spongebob and mikeymouse icons? Is acr asking for a copyright infringement suit or wtf lol
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Old 12-01-2019, 05:30 PM   #116
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Re: Bots and player funds misappropriation on WPN

Are there still bots in MTTs on WPN?
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Old 12-24-2019, 05:58 AM   #117
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Are there still bots in MTTs on WPN?
Not sure, but they are absolutely still at cash, many fresh names, all from the usual suspect countries and playing same absurd stats.
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Old 12-24-2019, 05:31 PM   #118
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You realize "regulation" is the whole reason that the only options available to USA players are shady scammy networks right? If not for prohibition sites like ACR would quickly be outcompeted.



Ding ding ding!

Another possibility is that these bot accounts are not ID verified at all if there is a profit sharing aggreement between the bot ring operators and WPN.

Yes bots use seating scripts just like they use betting, checking, folding, raising and calling scripts. They don't all instantly join a table when a fish sits, those are entirely humans.
You can make as many accounts as you like if you deposit with bitcoin. I have 3 or 4 on acr alone, they dont care and told me as much. Now I couldnt play all those accounts at once, but I am sure it wouldnt be that hard to do if you really wanted. I quit the site all together though, but if I wanted I could open an account in my dogs name I am sure......
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Old 12-24-2019, 09:59 PM   #119
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All under the same name or do they not verify ID? Wait, obviously no ID check based on the dog's name comment.
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Old 12-25-2019, 03:36 AM   #120
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All under the same name or do they not verify ID? Wait, obviously no ID check based on the dog's name comment.
Used different names, no Id check if you use bitcoin.
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Old 12-25-2019, 05:42 AM   #121
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Re: Bots and player funds misappropriation on WPN

anyone know about low to midstakes NLHE bots? pm me? (I know theres a thread about SSNL bots and PLO bots but haven't seen info about higher stakes NLHE bots if there are any).
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Old 12-26-2019, 01:32 PM   #122
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Are there still bots in MTTs on WPN?
Lol, 100%. I got heads up at the FT of a $30 buyin and the bot wasn’t programmed for HU or was just glitching. It folded every single hand to an open min raise until it blinded out and never opened raise me once.
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Old 12-26-2019, 03:22 PM   #123
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Lol, 100%. I got heads up at the FT of a $30 buyin and the bot wasn’t programmed for HU or was just glitching. It folded every single hand to an open min raise until it blinded out and never opened raise me once.
Which means that a bot got second place in a $30 MTT and stole money from the humans that played, and if it hadn't malfunctioned (of course it is coded to play HU) it might have beat you too. The bot should be reported, banned and players refunded for the weeks, months or years this bot has been stealing honest player's money.

It is also worth mentioning that if I recall correctly, mod Bobo Fett who has a burr up his butt towards HOG, moved this discussion out of the main thread. This discussion is now not in the main thread and not even in the same section of 2+2. There isn't a day that goes by in the main thread that some one doesn't ask about bots, software update or rakeback those are literally the only 3 topics. Yet they aren't getting the information they need because of a mod. We are getting our money stolen and a 2+2 mod with an agenda against a certain player is making it worse for us.

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Old 12-26-2019, 04:54 PM   #124
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Which means that a bot got second place in a $30 MTT and stole money from the humans that played, and if it hadn't malfunctioned (of course it is coded to play HU) it might have beat you too. The bot should be reported, banned and players refunded for the weeks, months or years this bot has been stealing honest player's money.

It is also worth mentioning that if I recall correctly, mod Bobo Fett who has a burr up his butt towards HOG, moved this discussion out of the main thread. This discussion is now not in the main thread and not even in the same section of 2+2. There isn't a day that goes by in the main thread that some one doesn't ask about bots, software update or rakeback those are literally the only 3 topics. Yet they aren't getting the information they need because of a mod. We are getting our money stolen and a 2+2 mod with an agenda against a certain player is making it worse for us.
I disagree, the thread should statistically get more eyeballs in NVG.

Any chance the person got disconnected at all? I remember way back there would be a lot of times where players from certain countries always disconnected.
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:15 PM   #125
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I disagree, the thread should statistically get more eyeballs in NVG.
More eyeballs from people who don't even play on WPN?

You could make a thread in NVG that Jnandez didn't pay your Mother for scarfs she made. It would get a lot of eyeball views. Those views are nothing but rubber necking a car crash. WPN's player pool is tiny in size to the number of players in the rest of the world that play elsewhere, but would look in on a juicy titled "bots and misappropriated funds" thread.

The majority of people that play on WPN eyeball the official thread. And I'm willing to betcha that those people think the official thread is the official thread. And as I pointed out, since there are essentially only three topics of software update, rb/rewards and bots., people expect that official thread to be the end all answer place. Do you need two threads for three topics? And as I also pointed out the threads are located in different sections of 2+2.

I am rolling my eyeballs at you.

As a real world practical exercise, go sort through the last seven days of the official thread and count how many times someone (this will be players who actually play on WPN) asked about bots.

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