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Old 02-19-2018, 06:39 PM   #101
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Re: Bots on iPoker & Bet365 / Unfair AI advantage

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Is it surprising that ipoker has bots and worse?

If you trawl through the ipoker thread from around 2010-2013 you will see we all found cheating players (bots, colluders, strange accounts that appeared altogether then disappeared altogether) - nobody got any money back and we were likely owed hundreds of k collectively. (was msnl/hsnl ring of cheaters). There was a guy who was investigating these players who were blatantly caught cheating (as they all disappeared overnight, and more returned later) but he gave up - I was actually going to help him with the investigation but it fizzled out.

I would steer clear of ipoker and online poker in general in any serious capacity if you're worried about bots/cheaters - you won't see a penny from the companies and they dgaf what you find. ipoker itself was founded by a well known scumbag.
Yes. I'm getting extreme deja vu here as well. It wouldn't surprise me if they are linked in some way to the bots back then.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:53 PM   #102
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I still saw today/tonight almost all of the listed names. So i don't know which accounts they have banned already.
Was it stated somewhere that any were banned? From the sounds of that email it appears that at least a few of the accounts have been cleared to play into the foreseeable future. That's unfortunate.
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:57 PM   #103
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Yeah what I got is they got cleared...
It could mean they investigated them, and didn't find anything suspicious so they are ok to play!
Sad...
I'm spotting some real bots at lower stakes as well.
And either I haven't had enough sample on them before or I'm just realizing they are bots.
And the number is high...
Remember chico 25NL @MCA ?
It's something like that in iPoker as well...
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:51 AM   #104
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Was it stated somewhere that any were banned? From the sounds of that email it appears that at least a few of the accounts have been cleared to play into the foreseeable future. That's unfortunate.
You are probably right. The past 4days were the most bot infested (every table 2 of them) + not the best action.

I am thinking to move to stars, at least I will play there probably against humans.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:52 AM   #105
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I'm happy to help put this information together for a video after I get back from the poker awards that take place later this week.

After more research & discussion, I think the fight against bots is one of the most important things of focus if online poker will still exist in the future.
That would be fantastic Joey. Thank you!
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:42 AM   #106
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Re: Bots on iPoker & Bet365 / Unfair AI advantage

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Yeah what I got is they got cleared...
It could mean they investigated them, and didn't find anything suspicious so they are ok to play!
Sad...
I'm spotting some real bots at lower stakes as well.
And either I haven't had enough sample on them before or I'm just realizing they are bots.
And the number is high...
Remember chico 25NL @MCA ?
It's something like that in iPoker as well...
The more I talk with people who play at other sites I have begun to realize the bots are on almost every network at this point. Obviously some have less and some have better security, but many places are overrun with them. I think the ease of purchase, ease of setup, sites accepting crypto with lack of identification and residence verification, vpns, new stealth measures bot users are taking, and underfunded security departments all combined are making this an issue all over.
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:23 PM   #107
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Yes. I'm getting extreme deja vu here as well. It wouldn't surprise me if they are linked in some way to the bots back then.
Ya. I mean it was ok back then, games were piss soft and it was absurd how easy hsnl/msnl games were so I didnt hugely mind the very obvious cheaters/bots - wouldve liked to have got some money back tho and it annoys me we basically got robbed. I can imagine BurnN0tice would've played the most hands with them, wonder if he got any $ back - I think he binked some big score so likely dgaf tho.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:34 PM   #108
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op should contact @SafePoker_Rep. they also have a website not sure if they are still active or not
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:52 PM   #109
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Caligula is the most obvious bot ever.
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Old 02-21-2018, 02:42 PM   #110
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Re: Bots on iPoker & Bet365 / Unfair AI advantage

How to tilt a bot (his user name was bot) ( me is my username)
Me
Are you a bot

Bot
10011010101000100100101010101000101010101010101010

Bot
01010101010101020100101

Me
So you are a bot?

Bot
838289493938373832818848393948

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No need to be rude

Bot
010101001001000100101001010101010

Me
Am going to post your a bot on 2plus2

Bot
8292929298202977290292882929829292992

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Your dad have sex with an old boiler

Bot has sat out

Me
You still there bot?

Bot has left the game

That is how you tilt a bot....
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:25 AM   #111
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What will happen with the money frozen from bots? Whether it will be distributed to other players?
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Old 02-22-2018, 09:50 AM   #112
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I would say very unlikely considering the same network raised the rake without informing the players a couple years ago.
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Old 02-22-2018, 10:29 AM   #113
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OK, Which bots got suspended exactly?
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Old 02-22-2018, 10:58 AM   #114
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OK, Which bots got suspended exactly?
It looks none of them.
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Old 02-23-2018, 08:56 AM   #115
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Re: Bots on iPoker & Bet365 / Unfair AI advantage

I don't think they banned anyone, some were cleared and they are investigating the other accounts more right now
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Old 02-23-2018, 09:29 PM   #116
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Caligula totally clear... nothing to see here...
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Old 02-23-2018, 09:50 PM   #117
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Caligula totally clear... nothing to see here...
Can you elaborate why you think so?
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Old 02-24-2018, 12:21 AM   #118
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Old 02-24-2018, 12:34 AM   #119
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Re: Bots on iPoker & Bet365 / Unfair AI advantage

Would be cool if people who have not played in these games stop posting stuff like "OP u are confusing good regs to bots" etc. I mean it is 100% clear that the nicknames on that list are some type of bots or using the same real time assistance.
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Old 02-24-2018, 04:19 AM   #120
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Can you elaborate why you think so?
It was sarcasm
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Old 02-24-2018, 08:27 AM   #121
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Just curious how you spot a bot? Timing tells? Massive Multi Tabling? Pot odds?
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Old 02-24-2018, 10:03 AM   #122
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yep, pot odds.. spot on mate
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Old 02-24-2018, 12:13 PM   #123
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Interesting thread and I hope something good comes from it.

I thought it was common knowledge that bots existed on these networks. Yet despite this, there are still people who continue to play there? Why? The best thing you can do is not give the site business. Play in a game that you are reasonably sure is bot-free.

I think this is the way online poker as a whole is heading unfortunately.
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Old 02-24-2018, 02:05 PM   #124
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yep, pot odds.. spot on mate
We all can count outs? So why make a super bot that can count to percentages?

If you could program a bot, could a bot to play to your style?

I'm curious.

Bots will kill the game as finding a bot will be more difficult than the O/P suggests. I'm questioning his thoughts, not that I doubt his information.
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Old 02-24-2018, 03:14 PM   #125
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I received a £260 refund although support could not tell me any more lol..
I only play NHLE 5/10 HU mainly and PLO 2/4-5/10 if no tables.

This does not show in account details as all other rewards bonus and other do,
PLO table have been dead so I can only guess maybe a few bots rooted out as I did call 2 out in chat but never made official complaint.
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