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Originally Posted by Jayus
If we accept that some/all of these accs are in fact bots, Im mostly worried if they are sharing hole cards. Can people who are more knowledgeable say if its more or less likely they are sharing hole cards?
You would have to create a list of day and night time bots, and see who plays with who.
If 2 bots table start together, then there's higher likelihood of hole card sharing.
I spoke with the clown mentioned above ^. He studies low stakes bots. Those bots always end up having very identical stats. That's not the case for small stakes+ bots. Certain stats are always similar (and thats how I detect them) but there is a lot of variation in positional stats for example.
I tried to look into if too many stats were similar and I could group the bots based on developer. I did find some preflop tendencies but sample wasn't big enough. Need big sample for certain preflop spots.
I also found one bet sizing tell for 2 accounts.
I have very good evidence for computed, pre-planned gameplay.
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
It became clear to me that all these sites were infested with bots when I could no longer consistently win at low stakes.
I appreciate you telling that.
I have history of running above EV and having negative red line, so that's why there is this debate about skill level.
You are going to end up with negative red line if you play vs the bots mentioned, since you won't get your bluffs through and the bots are very floaty. Human players always end up having certain leaks, unless you're playing just a few tables like in Zoom.
When you get to small-mid stakes, then you want to maximize your hourly --> more tables, more autopilot. (assuming games are good)
The bot floats you in every street. Preflop, flop, turn and they call rivers a lot. All that is bad for red line.
There's still fair amount of nits at 100nl where they do the opposite of previously mentioned, so you would end up with good red line.
I also had this debate on Skype.
I'm willing to bet that there is 1 human player who can almost implement bot strategy perfectly.
It's no secret that euro site regs are leaky for various reasons.
What you find with bots is basically no leaks anywhere, there is nothing to exploit, except they call too wide OTR. Bots always cbet as much as possible while maintaining balanced XF % stat. Bots play 100% perfect aggressive poker, but that is run by a computer.
There's seriously like 1-2 regs at the pool who are close to bot stats but I know they're human.
Then this talk about "best regs". I have played 500z and I know what best regs are doing and why.
And like I said, exploitative game plan will modify your stats, which happens with the 2 regs who have bot gameplay tendencies, but still seek to exploit player pool.
Also it's true with bots that they have figured the entire game out. I can take best reg and find leaks from his HUD that the player is unaware of.
How does the above sound at 20nl where it's supposed to be ok to have leaks and work your game up?
Last edited by Fishtankz; 02-18-2018 at 11:56 AM.