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I think the counterargument is that the currently obvious problems are very, well, obvious. If these sites were even halfway competent they would be able to deal with these bots without much problem.
In the long run this should be an arms race between operators and fraudsters--typical of many other industries, actually. I don't think you're wrong to be pessimistic about the current state--most sites appear to be run by chimpanzees--but I think "it's over" is too fatalistic.
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Originally Posted by AceJacko
The people saying online poker is doomed are missing that the current state is due to ACR and Ignition giving up sometime around 2021. ACR has a site where they publicly posted refunds from banned accounts, you can see down to the month where they stopped taking action. Even in my relatively small network guys were getting low 4 figure refunds from Iggy security. You were almost hoping some of this obvious collusion would happened to you so you could report it and get a refund. I played 200nl to 1K from 2016 to 2022. IÂ’m sure I lost winnrate due to cheating, itÂ’s obviously inevitable and just a cost of business. Historically the risk was worth it because the cheating was at a low enough level to not materially affect winnrate over large samples. These sites always used to police collusion. Stars was running rta checks on players back in 2018. IÂ’m not expecting a perfectly safe game, IÂ’m asking the sites to go back to historical levels of investment in game integrity.
Tough to disagree, so many ridiculous stories of incompetence.
But tales about "arms race is lost" seems laughable, when you do any sort of in-depth MDA. Making strategy that blends with population or changes styles is very tough, and all those cheating ****s just use solvers as magic oven, to give them all the answers to every spot. Always leave massive amount of indicators, but doesn't matter.
ACR, GG, Ignition too lazy to have someone's nephew check preflop stats once a month.
Stars has scripters that have been reported for years. One of them even exposed himself with screenshots, still doesn't matter to them.
But every single network splashes money on some ambassador/integrity "celebrity" that hasn't seen default positional report from tracker in his life. Ofc it's gonna seem like you are surrounded by cheats with "more rake, less security spending" approach. All these farms wouldn't last a month if they hired anyone competent.