Can limon stfu, this is an important thread. Mods wtf is wrong with you all, if it was a random screenname posting exactly what he has, all his posts would be scrubbed.

https://twitter.com/MTT_Data_Review/...89632165736855

It is still possible to find a player's country on ACR using a player transfer, so I did that with the list of suspected MTT bots. Afaik these are only the ones playing on the ACR client as you can't transfer money to a different client. So I need more people from different skins to help finish it.
Lot of Belarus and Kazakhstan... but bunch of others too.

what? i expected to see lots of germany, us, sweden etc in that list

Edit plz ; K6xx = Kazakhstan
y4uxa = Poland
PreauToxy = Poland
Nabbs = Austria
YAPOKER SKIN

wrong. show one thing wrong with my original post ITT. you can't. it was a good question which informs people trying to make decisions going forward. the attacks on me after that were not my doing and yes, the mods should delete all attacks on me, including yours.

Your first post is 'why would anyone care' which is a ridiculous thing to ask in a thread about 10 mil being pulled out of the playing pool. Maybe you can explain what you mean by that? Except it's not worth polluting the thread further. Your input so far can be boiled down to 'who cares if you got robbed you should never went into that rough part of town'.

At this point the only thing WPN can do to save face is hire Tyler and his team. They did an amazing job on other networks clearing out the exact same bot ring, it is beyond comprehension that they haven't already done it. They say to not assume malice where ignorance is probable but it is becoming more and more difficult to believe.

i already addressed this.

if i started a thread about getting cheated in one of the chinese underground games in LA (like wesley did) i would hope someone would post "who cares". I would hope those reading that thread thinking about playing in gray market games would think twice and see the they are running like lambs into a slaughter when they put their money with people who have "fluid" ethics. I would hope my post would do damage to the purveyors of these gray market games by killing their supply of fresh meat. i would hope that players would find their way to ethical games in safe casinos with a near zero chance of being cheated or playing against a bot.

And with that, let's all move on.

Post reports are appreciated, as is feedback in the moderation sticky. limon, your "stay away from gray market sites" message has been delivered, time to let it go. Thanks.

Just played a few hundred hands on GG (with some rakeback bonus that was left there) and everything is fine. I imagine ACR is also doing well.

Can this thread ever achieve something? Lets face reality, the only thing we can do is wait till they colapse by themselves.

We need to withdraw all the money and disappear into sunset. Good luck for the fish that stays there.

fair enough. limon out.

i don't get exactly what proof do we have that these nicknames are bots, OP just gave a huge file of hands and nicknames but no specific indication, like do they have the exact same strategy? can you show us a big data analysis you did on their hands? we have nothing here

I agree with all of this except for the part about the initial question. Sure, your subsequent posts explained your point, and probably (or hopefully) accomplish everything you say it will. But your first post was "why would anyone care at this point?" That would be like if a cigarette smoker born in the 1970s discovered they have lung cancer, and you're in the doc's waiting room going, "serves you right, Sir Smokes-A-Lot, we've only had six decades of warnings about those death sticks." You're not wrong, but jeeez... a little tact, perhaps? Despite your solid logical footing, don't act surprised when Marlboro Man wants to punch you in the brain.

Whether or not Muricans should play on a site like ACR doesn't matter. The reality is that they do, that this botfarm did/does happen, it sucks, so let's direct our attention on the work TylerRM et al has done. As you yourself noted, they deserve some props for unearthing this amount of info.

Also Moneymaker, really? I could be way off, but there's no way he should be so knowledgable nor confident on the ins and outs of WPN's security to make such a "come at us, bro" post. That strikes me as a gigantic negative freeroll, and I don't mean the $100K. Maybe MoneyTaker will end winning Moneymaker's reward.





*To be honest, I have a similar response whenever I see yet another thread about some agent who scams or deadbeats his/her downline: how are these even still going on?

Might as well add some fuel to the fire.

I reported this group of bots in the 50NL Blitz pool right around the 1st of September.
The accounts all had identical stats and I also provided ACR with dozens of hand histories in which the accounts were clearly colluding. Most of the collusion was in the form of preflop squeezing followed by 4 and 5 bets. I also have some pretty damning hands of post flop squeezing. I made some insanely light preflop and post flop calls vs this group to make sure my suspicions were correct and I was not proven wrong once.

Azzzido
DancingNinja
Gaduey
Godscape
hart2Dot
Letchz
Limon4ik
Meekamba
oneof300
Qwad
Raleeno
toisonbie36

All of the accounts vanished from the pool around 2-3 weeks later.

Funny thing is that as soon as these accounts were removed 50Blitz stopped running, it took several days for the pool to become active again.
I don't know for sure, but I do believe that very often anywhere from 30-50%+ of the pool was composed of colluding bots. I would often have 2 and sometimes 3 on a single table.

you have that response because it is the correct and logical response.

ACR didn't ban single account for almost 2 years according to their web:

https://www.winningpokernetwork.com/banned-accounts/

They must be ****ing joking. Last banned account was 3/31/2022. LMAO.

I know a 50z reg who used to often chat to Godscape on the tables when chat existed. He used to talk about how tilted he gets in the games, he is not a bot.

Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

WilleZurmacht (BTN): 120.62 BB
Godscape (SB): 190.08 BB
oneof300 (BB): 718.04 BB
w0t214 (UTG): 104.5 BB
FeelTheory (MP): 121 BB
Pinkish (CO): 132.08 BB

Godscape posts SB 0.5 BB, oneof300 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Pinkish has K Q

fold, fold, Pinkish raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Godscape calls 2 BB, oneof300 raises to 12 BB, Pinkish calls 9.5 BB, Godscape raises to 44 BB, oneof300 raises to 718.04 BB and is all-in, Pinkish calls 120.08 BB and is all-in, fold

Flop: (308.16 BB, 2 players) T J 9

Turn: (308.16 BB, 2 players) 4

River: (308.16 BB, 2 players) Q

oneof300 shows 6 K (Straight, King High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 11%, Turn 3%)
Pinkish shows K Q (Straight, King High)
(Pre 71%, Flop 89%, Turn 97%)
oneof300 wins 151.08 BB
Pinkish wins 151.08 BB

Here is one of many hands where Godscape is executing the preflop squeeze with one of the other accounts in question. I can post lots but I really see no point.
As you can see, I stopped folding in these spots with anything. Even though this was a semi reasonable shove with K6s, they would show up with way worse really often and it was always this same group making this same play. If you filter your database by preflop action 1st: Call, 2nd: Raise, 3rd: Fold you will get a quick list of bots with a few false positives sprinkled in.

Edit: Obviously I don't have access to hole cards but I would wager that Godscape likely had some Ax hand here adding to the fold equity. Also, Godscape has not played a single hand in my DB since the rest of those accounts stopped playing.

Ye thats cool but all im saying I know someone who used to have conversations with him in chat and he has no reason to lie.

you can programe also a writing in chat, it is the easiest thing to program on bot
I played vs him 24k hands i am sure he is a bot.

i have XY hand histories where i can prove it, like this one: bot on SB and BB

HH

i send this list to Sp1ros (acr stormer) He sent to ACR security and nothing Happened !!!
Here are bots form former nl50 blitz. (they turn it off when i posted the list to Raise your edge discord where they immediately banned me )

NL50 blitz bots list

I think the likelihood of most of the bots being internal is extremely high.

Also this limon guy is braindead. Can you just ignore someone on 2p2 so their posts don't show up?

Yeah, that looks a lot more reasonable. Afterwards, I had subsequent emails with their security team. The list I posted were the initial few that made my list. After I went back and searched more I was able to dig up a list that looks nearly identical to yours.

Funny thing is that in the emails it seemed like they were clueless and kept asking more and more of me.

I eventually just told them the patterns were obvious and that I would expect this would be a much easier task for their security team than me with a limited database/hand sample.

I began to suspect this the deeper and deeper I dug. I had three theories.

1) They were aware and didn't care as long as the rake was being generated
2) The were not aware which is beyond me how they missed it as some of these plays were done 99% of the time exclusively by this same group of players.
3) They are house bots and beat the fish well enough + claim enough spots on the leaderboards that it is +EV to run them even if the regs beat them.

Number 3 is tinfoil hat type stuff as the signs of collusion were clearly there and that is a whole different can of worms than just bots.