they didn´t, they both are playing on one table

Did you read my post? I said they weren't playing for about 4 days and are back now.

So how do you know they weren't banned because you see them at a table now?

Anyone can buy millions of hand histories for $10 and filter out hands with certain criteria such that the statistics gathered from the remaining hands shows whatever they want the statistics to show.

The never-ending stream of mostly unsubstantiated claims of bot rings has played some minor part in the decline of online poker traffic over the past 12 years. All of it is just sad. Every time another bot scandal hits and the poker community demands action, the poker site bans a bunch of the wrongly accused players just to ease the tension. It's all just witch-hunt. When you never properly present your evidence of bots, nobody can refute your evidence.

Nice try but I have my own hands I've played against all these accounts and the stats are consistent.

So your theory that Tyler arbitrarily cherry picked these accounts and filtered the hands to make it look like they're bots is pretty far fetched.

And what would even be his motive to do so?

You just seem even more sus trying to say these bots don't exist.

Everyone who has played a fair amount of hands on acr knows about the prescense of bots. In fact most of us have gotten refunds from bots or RTA users. It's not really up for dispute, just a question of scale.

I'm not saying anything about the OP because I have no evidence. I'm saying that anyone could easily manipulate a bunch of text files.

I'm not saying that the accounts the OP claims are bots are not bots (how could I make that claim since I have no knowledge of the matter one way or another). I'm saying (and this is a pure and simple fact) that not a single post on this thread contains credible evidence that they are bots. What I take issue with is the witch-hunt mentality which completely disregards the prerequisite of evidence. A bunch of hand histories is not evidence - they are raw data that may contain evidence of who knows what or nothing at all. After you've shown that the raw data hasn't been tampered with, have analyzed the raw data and created an understandable description of why the data proofs something you claim it proofs, then you're holding actual evidence.

I'm not disputing the presence of bots. I have full confidence that at least the bigger casinos are very good at catching bots because they have access to all the data, like the player's probability distribution over the time a keyboard button press or a mouse click is down. The casinos silently detecting and banning bots doesn't create big scary headlines of bots that have scared away recs for the past 12 years though. It's the poker player community itself that has created bot ring hysteria that has scared away probably a lot of recs.

You have an awful lot of trust in the casino. The same bots were running on 200 blitz for 1-2 years without being banned, playing tons of hands. ACR doesn't have an incentive to ban them because they generate rake for the site and keep the games running, so they are ok letting them go "undetected" until there is community pressure. This pressure is important.

i got 0 refunds, played vs them over 200k hands

Acr cash games suck . Apps are where it's at

moj31 not a bot

wr0nghouse not a bot right?

Location Kazakhstan. So very high probability it's a bot on just that alone.

Plus the stats seem to be converging pretty quickly to bot style.

Interesting. Think I got refunds on 2-3 seperate occasions around 2022.

0 refunds here too.

I even emailed them naming the specific bots, how many hands I had w/ them and asking why I didn't get any refund while others who have not even played on the site in over a year received them. They never responded.

-Received multiple refunds in 2022
-received 1 refund 1/19/23 but did not play any hands after March of that year
-last refund 5/2/24

Been a 25nl/50nl grinder during these refunds. Received 0 since moving up to 100nl.

Anyone have thoughts on Rebayman000? Fresh khazak account. Played 300 hands with him today, never snap acted and had similar timings to the other known bots. Didn’t see enough showdowns to form a full opinion yet.

Some new MTT bots:
https://x.com/MTT_Data_Review/status...12711591125438

100% bot