Winning tourneys draws more attention than nickle and diming. Think like a suoermarket operator.

Great work my man! I had a 2 hr session with some students regarding the two bolded names. However, in this site's case - it's a matter of bots infiltrating an already corrupt site where even the owners play and back people who play on their site.

The site itself is a sham - horrible structures with LR till 6BB lol & pay ladder that hardly pays 9% of the field. Lots of other shady **** happens on this site. I contacted their software provider and basically the site lied about having some advanced and sophisticated team for detecting collusion, yet, you can make an account in a snap - name it ADMIN and chat privileges allow you to run riot while the site's support team claims "hey man it was a Sunday chill out. Staff was off duty"

I posted about this site in PG&C - forget bots, in a SHR PLO game - they let this happen (almost everyone in this picture was on the F2T of that game) -



Poker would be so much better off if all the bots were sent to this sick website. The operator does some really shady stuff anyways.

It was not at all the first idea, trojan etc....

My ninety three year old grandmonther did it and had a great experience. 5 stars out of 5. She doesn't know how to use twoplustwo, so take my word for it.

That indian pic is hilarious.

"Peace n cheats yall" all smiling, like the true scum they are. it ****s my mind that people can cheat like that with literally 0 morals. disgusting.

hey a dewd - reddit told me to reach out to you regarding some issues I've had with Ignition regarding a 10k withdrawal. No idea how to PM you on here. This is the reddit thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...wal_april_9th/

BTW: this post is ridiculous, just read through all pages and comments. Hope something comes of it.

Since I'm 60+ does that mean I won't be able to withdraw anymore?

I'm so happy millennials came along and invented the internet for me. I remember back in dark old days shortly after Gen Xers invented electricity and they showed us old farts how to use the world wide web.

No kidding. "For sure" lol.

Now the owners know that they have to be more careful about leaking data, and will have to bother with creating new accounts, moving funds from banned accounts to new accounts, what a stress. The outcome of this thread will be that many pro human players will stop playing on those sites that allow bot rings to operate, and
bot rings will get to play mostly against fish which is nicer than playing vs pro humans.

Just read the initial post and few others. Congratulations on uncovering this Bot farm.

Were funds from these accounts confiscated? If so, how much ~ and will it be redistributed across effected players on most sites? Is there any other legal action being taken against any of these players?

So you think that networks banned accounts for cheating and then allowed funds to be released to them.....

Sorry, you are totally lost on this topic Some firms started issuing refunds, not sure of any of the processes or ways they are handling it after accounts frozen and assets seized.

When you report bots to the network, it tells you thank you very much, and really bans accounts because it would be suspicious to let those reported accounts to play. Then bot ring gets new accounts, funds are moved from banned accounts to new, and the grind continues. This is how it works with most poker sites, except few high budget poker sites like e.g. stars.
Off course if someone runs bots without having a deal with poker site, they will ban it and not let withdraw, as poker site doesn't get a % of bot winnings and rake alone is not much. Those big bot rings usually have a deal with a poker site.
E.g. go to peoples poker where a lot of accounts got reported, observe tables a bit, especially at late hours, you will see how bots play vs each other and fold nearly all hands preflop to avoid paying rake, and once fish joins they play normal but still soft play vs each other.

IF you think that poker sites really fight bots, think why didn't they ban those bots before they got reported with evidence? Some high budget poker sites really fight bots like stars, party poker, betonline, 888, so mostly high budget bot rings play there, and it is questionable if those sites have own bots.

You see that on some sites this bot ring has even 50+ accounts and play up to 1/2e so imagine how much bankroll they have in total in all accounts over all sites. That is a huge bankroll, and too much risk to loose it all if poker site would really not be moving money from banned to new accounts. Obviously this bot ring that is reported was focused on poker sites without any bot detection.

You really haven't thought your conclusions through, have you ?

Why would a site which was willing to allow bots do so at the cost that entails for processing losing players deposits, only to spew them to some third party bot ring ?

Think about that for a bit and see what rabbit hole that leads you down ?

Good question...but there are sites don't do anything about fight the bots. Because they are stupid? Because they are involved ? who knows

Because they dont care about deposits from human pro players as they kill fish and withdraw too much. most recreational players dont read this and similar topics and keep depositing regardless if they loose vs human pros or vs collusion bot rings as the one reported here. Those reported on peoples poker i know them at least since last 2 years. They play on all stakes and wait for fish to join then collude, now they got banned due to report. If they do obvious collusion on dollaro and peoples poker and make big % of traffic on ring games, likely they collude on all other sites.

Just play a bit on peoples poker, dollaro and similar sites
I hope you will understand that the site is full of collusion bots. Then think if you concluded it due to being too obvious, why are those poker sites not banning them until someone reports, and why there are suddenly new set of accounts doing the same thing.

Because most sites have 0 technology to detect bots. Stars invests huge in bot detection and collusion. Recently party poker, 888, betonline started investing in technology. It is very complex to detect bots, and topic that developers dont learn at school and cant google solution, so it is very hard to make a team of such experts. So considering that most sites anyway cant stop bots even if they would like to, they rather make a deal with bot ring and take % of winnings instead of letting bots take it all. Running bots is much more profitable than getting rake as a poker site, as they invest in marketing, licence, customer support, give 50-75% to affiliates. They also like to use bots to start action on the tables, and to have higher GTd tournaments with less overlay.

Because most sites have 0 technology to detect bots. Stars invests huge in bot detection and collusion. Recently party poker, 888, betonline started investing in technology. It is very complex to detect bots, and topic that developers dont learn at school and cant google solution, so it is very hard to make a team of such experts. So considering that most sites anyway cant stop bots even if they would like to, they rather make a deal with bot ring and take % of winnings instead of letting bots take it all. Running bots is much more profitable than getting rake as a poker site, as they invest in marketing, licence, customer support, give 50-75% to affiliates. They also like to use bots to start action on the tables, and to have higher GTd tournaments with less overlay.

Well, I will say my firsthand experience with about 8 or 9 networks contradicts pretty much everything you say is happening across your posts here.

I didnt mean it offensively. I live in eastern europe and it is very hard to believe that a russian 60+ year old guy is operating a poker bot online.

Why do these sites even bother allowing players from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, etc?

It's not as though they are adding anything to the poker "ecosystem" anyway and just pulling out of these countries citing "a business decision" would be so simple...

Juk

Oddly enough, the guy you quoted is from one of those countries. You could argue he adds a lot.

Yes, that bias against x, y, z countries quite ridiculous, its xenophobic

When the new info comes out put it in a new thread please, I don't want to see it lost in here a deed, thx

Is there any chance of trying to find bots at the Indian poker scene?

They have some poker apps that are only available to Indian residents.

As you know Russia + CIS has over 350 million people of population therefore most cheaters will indeed come from there. Unlike say Estonia which has less than 5 million people, so in terms of raw percentages you will simply not going to see many cheaters from that country.

Please someone so good at math as yourself don't tell me you haven't figured this out yet...

Games like apex and cod have really bad anti-cheat systems but games like valorant apparently do a really good job. Apparently their anti-cheat has insane (highest?) privelage over the OS /hardware. And doesn't allow you to open the game unless it's running and you restarted your laptop

Should poker sites join together to create just as intrusive anti-cheat system? Where they can open any webcam anytime they want if the site is running, can turn on the mic, can screenshot, can do "anything" they want. And can be as intrusive as they want. Be able to view the whole system instead of just looking at processes in your task manager

Would you be in favour of something similar? I think I would be tbh. (Obviously turning off the anti cheat system when not playing will disable it being so intrusive)

I know there could be some work arounds of this of having two systems open. But given botfarms are trying to hide in registry....it could improve a bit. But make it so only the anti-cheat system can open the packets and then you're able to monitor any of the same/similar packets being sent out to other systems which is running the assistance bot/software due to the anti cheat being able to monitor network traffic now due to how much control it has over the system.

Obviously in a perfect world , they would all create their own intrusive anti-cheat system, but I imagine it's insanely costly and companies might be best if they join together.

I have no idea what I'm talking about but having their anti cheat just ~reading task manager processes is pretty **** weak after geo many years poker has been around and things need to be improved before it's too late.