That makes a lot of sense.

There must be a national scammers network that would have warned Mikey not to mess around in Charlotte when he could just defraud people somewhere else where the police don't crack down as much. Do you get a bus ticket out of town when you're released from jail? How long before this story repeats in a different airport?

In about 3.5 weeks.

Bail him out Chainsaw, he just needs another chance.

No. He called me yesterday hes out of jail.

I think nvg could use another AMA from Mike #freeBorovetz

What did he say?

He can post what happened. Why he fell back etc.

Not fair for your forum just to have bashing threads.

I hope he gets unbanned. I would like to hear his story.

Also, if he was raped in prison, does that count as getting laid. He mentioned in other thread he been without sex for years.

We already know the answers to these questions.

He's too lazy and morally bankrupt to support himself honestly. He'd rather steal from people to play donkaments.

What else is there?

all of this is so sad

People don't really care why he "fell back" though, there's no excuse he could give where people would say "Oh we understand Mike, don't worry about it"

No matter what one might think of MB - if you think laziness is part of the equation here, you have no clue.

Agree with this completely. This whole story is just kinda sad. I mean, here's a bright guy (educationally), that could have accomplished something and he pissed away his opportunity. Can't speak for him but I'm sure he wishes he could have done things differently.

I think his story serves as a good example about what addiction can do to your life. Even sadder, he knows no other way to get money, so he will do it again. Part of me feels you really have to want to help yourself to get better to make a change. What does he have to lose at this point??

I don't get why people are so outraged by this guy...so he scams a few gullible people and yeah he can be prosecuted for it but who gives a fk. It's not like he's mugging people.

I get asked for money 10 times a day by homeless people holding signs or telling me some bs story about why they need the money. I can't remember ever giving them anything but my wife can't walk past one of them without giving them a few dollars and she knows their stories are bs and they're just going to spend it on grog or drugs or whatever.

I just don't get why people think this guy is so despicable. He's obviously just a desperate degen and if you don't want to give him cash then don't.

I disagree. All he wants to do is hang around playing cards. It's one of the laziest things you can aspire to. On top of that, he refuses to actually work for his gambling money. Why get a job when you can steal $2-300 per mark at the airport, amirite?

He's incredibly lazy, imo.

10 more arrests and i'll have my calendar for next year.

"All he wants to do is hang around playing cards" is the addiction part of it and not really the issue.

The issue is what he does to feed that addiction. Remove all legal/ethical and moral parts of this and assume you could make the same amount of money scamming at airports as you do in your current job. Would you trade places with him? Are you really jealous that he can make money in such a "lazy" way?

Because the way he makes money sounds like a ****ing nightmare to me and is pretty much the furthest thing away from "lazy" that I can imagine. The guy spends his time lying to strangers, trying to avoid the police, still getting arrested and is outed for the whole world as a scumbag. That is about as stressful as life gets imo. If you really think someone chooses that kind of life because it's easy and awesome then, yea - you have no clue.

Because you're not a scumbag.

I think it takes far more time and effort for him to look for jobs, go to interviews, get hired, start working, and eventually get a paycheck than it is to just hang out at the airport for a few hours and steal another buyin.

I understand what you're saying, and I see your point. I'm just not in the camp that sees this guy as some kind of victim who's been stricken down by a horrible disease. Everything he does is by his own choice. He chooses to go steal money every time he does it.

Fair enough. I'm in the camp that can't be sure I wouldn't be doing the same thing if I'd lived his life rather than the one I've been lucky enough to live and so don't feel confident enough to condemn him.

Seriously - his life sounds like a nightmare and I'm not sure how anyone thinks he does what he does because he's lazy or because he thinks it's awesome.

Oh, shut up already. Knowing the reasons why he fell back still won't excuse his actions. Scammer apologists are unbearable.

Next time you talk to him, tell him there is a bench warrant with his name waiting here in Clark County.

I do not need to ever see that guy again around Las Vegas.

(Curious, did you send the money to bail him out ?)

I'm willing to bet he did, that's probably why Mike called him. Mike may be con artist and thief, but he's not dumb. He knows Allen's an enabler to him, and he'll use him until Allen finally wises up.

lol, leave it to Chainsaw to complain about the subject material used to start a 2+2 thread.

I would hardly call this a "bashing thread." More like a thread that offered an update on Borovetz, probably because the OP could not post an update to the previous thread. (i.e. the N of NVG.) Sure, it happens to contain some people taking a few verbal swings at him, but it's not like this thread's only purpose is to strap him to some sort of punching bag.

For what it's worth, I'll admit I was among the few people who initially felt some sense of sympathy for him, and hoped he would find a way to get better. No, this did NOT mean I felt his addiction excused his actions. He still needs to serve his penalty for that, one way or another. My biggest hope was that he would stop the scamming, and getting any kind of aggressive treatment from an addiction specialist was probably his best hope.

A few people reached out to Mike privately and even took time out of their own lives and/or pages from their own life experiences to help him. He responded with more lies and deceit, and showed an incredible disregard for those who those who attempted to give him any assistance. It took little time for me to lose any sympathy for him, and I'm sure others had shed their patience long before me. It showed in that thread.

Sure, kicking a man when he's down is pretty low. But Mike is a guy who, when he was down, managed to bite every hand that reached out to him. So don't expect many tears from this crowd.