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12-12-2014 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
OMG Allen, tell me you are not this totally clueless and you are trolling for fun.
clearly trolling
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12-12-2014 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Shame on 2p2 for allowing this continued bashing of borovetz and not even letting the man defend himself or explain his actions.
What exactly is he going to say? Seriously?
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12-12-2014 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
OMG Allen, tell me you are not this totally clueless and you are trolling for fun.


PP if youre going to have threads like this you can't ban the individual being bashed.

He obviously has a problem.
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12-12-2014 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kutty2
For those saying "he is one sick individual, he will never change", let's keep this in perspective. Yes, he is scamming people, but it's not like he's physically hurting anyone. He's not a killer/rapist/dangerous in any way. So he's still good at the core and it's clearly not that far away from who he is, considering he hasn't crossed that line w/ the circumstances.
He does not meet any definition of "good" that I'm familiar with.
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12-12-2014 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by koko333
I wonder what the percentage of people who post on twoplustwo who have been arrested compared to the overall number of poster is.

Unites States: 1 in every 31 adults, or 3.2%
Football: One N.F.L. player in 40 is arrested in a given year. 15 years that the USA Today data goes back, the 713 arrests mean that 2.53 percent of players have had a serious run-in with the law in an average year.

Think twoplustwo has a higher percentage than the above?
I don't. I think 2+2ers are pretty *civil and *amusing on the whole, I'd like to think that that translates into fewer arrests.

Last edited by Oroku$aki; 12-12-2014 at 04:24 AM. Reason: *chainsaw?
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12-12-2014 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
PP if youre going to have threads like this you can't ban the individual being bashed.

He obviously has a problem.
His own actions are the reason that people are talking about him and the reason that he's banned from 2+2. He is a serial scammer, that when outed on 2+2, hand plenty of chances to defend himself. He continued to scam others the entire time, which is why he was banned and why he was arrested.

If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Mike for making a living out of scamming people, and be mad at yourself and everyone else that's been defending him and downplaying the significance his actions.

I'm sure that he does have a problem, but he obviously wasn't making much of an effort to deal with that. Maybe he will now.
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12-12-2014 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
PP if youre going to have threads like this you can't ban the individual being bashed.

He obviously has a problem.
He is not the victim here.
He is not the victim here.
He is not the victim here.
He is not the victim here.
He is not the victim here.
He is not the victim here.
He is not the victim here.

Last edited by R*R; 12-12-2014 at 02:42 PM.
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12-12-2014 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
PP if youre going to have threads like this you can't ban the individual being bashed.

He obviously has a problem.
Can he not make a new account?

Anyway, if Mike keeps scamming we'll keep judging. Yes, he has a problem. So do paedophiles. What's the issue?

I still think you're trolling though. Uncanny how disguised it is.. For you..
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12-12-2014 , 08:11 AM
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Too much entertainment value to not want to read about his scams. Even though they're criminal just too much entertainment value in all of this…

Yeah man so much entertainment value in watching random innocent victims fall prey to this scumbags scheming antics.. wtf is wrong with people?
Incredible entertainment value! Lots of terrible events have created a limitless supply of entertainment. Think of all the literature and movies and everything that has spawned from war, disasters, serial killers even… Borovetz has a lot of upside as his cost to society is minimal. Bonnie and Clyde were awful people and killers but the aftermath brought books/films/new fashion… the millions of hours of entertainment wind up being worth more than the human tragedy. When we're all dead people will still know about Bonnie and Clyde. Borovetz needs to be able to post again to continue this saga.
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12-12-2014 , 08:13 AM
What a small world. I was actually approached by this guy earlier this week at Charlotte-Douglas as I was returning from vacation in PR. Normally I wouldn't have given him the time of day but since I was relaxed and back from vacation I reciprocated. After his story and asking for $300 I laughed and told him no way and asked if he'd seen Tom Hanks in The Terminal - just sleep here, bro. Seemed like a decent guy and just went on about his business after that. POS.

What I'm curious about is who the hell gives a stranger $200-300? And how do they know it's a scam and he's not using it for an actual hotel room? Either way, screw this scumbag.
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12-12-2014 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
It's fraud because he made up some story about why he needs money?
Yes.
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It's super common among panhandlers. I ran out of gas, I need some money for a bus ticket, etc. When I saw the original thread I immediately thought that it wasn't really a scam. It was just some dude with a sob story begging for money.
It's still fraud.
Article 19.
False Pretenses and Cheats.

§ 14-100. Obtaining property by false pretenses.

(a) If any person shall knowingly and designedly by means of any kind of false pretense whatsoever, whether the false pretense is of a past or subsisting fact or of a future fulfillment or event, obtain or attempt to obtain from any person within this State any money, goods, property, services, chose in action, or other thing of value with intent to cheat or defraud any person of such money, goods, property, services, chose in action or other thing of value, such person shall be guilty of a felony... If the value of the money, goods, property, services, chose in action, or other thing of value is one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) or more, a violation of this section is a Class C felony. If the value of the money, goods, property, services, chose in action, or other thing of value is less than one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000), a violation of this section is a Class H felony.
Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department Airport Division Detectives first heard about Borovetz’s scam on Dec. 9, when they were notified by an airline’s corporate security that a passenger had reported being defrauded.

Later that day, officers on a routine patrol of the airport were notified of a suspicious person on one of the concourses. They identified the man as Borovetz, and arrested him on charges of obtaining property by false pretenses. During the interview that followed, Borovetz confessed to scamming five people at Charlotte Douglas International.
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12-12-2014 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Shame on 2p2 for allowing this continued bashing of borovetz and not even letting the man defend himself or explain his actions.
Allen do us all a favor and just go away. You are one weird dude
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12-12-2014 , 09:48 AM
the reason Borovetz was banned Chainsaw was that he wasn't defending himself, he admitted to everything and just used the forum to attack the character of the people who were outraged by his behavior. his posts were genuinely appalling in their lack of remorse and introspection. if he posted more he would just humiliate himself (and the handful of people who sympathize with him) further.
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12-12-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pokervangelist
Allen do us all a favor and post a lot more. You are one weird dude and very entertaining in a train-wreck kind of way.

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12-12-2014 , 10:29 AM
doublejoker is not taking an insane postition and he isn't defending the guy
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12-12-2014 , 10:47 AM
Isn't he in jail and unable to post on 2p2 anyway?
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12-12-2014 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
the reason Borovetz was banned Chainsaw was that he wasn't defending himself, he admitted to everything and just used the forum to attack the character of the people who were outraged by his behavior. his posts were genuinely appalling in their lack of remorse and introspection. if he posted more he would just humiliate himself (and the handful of people who sympathize with him) further.
Not to mention that he was also using the forum to scam. He was looking for people to feel pity for him and give him a stake or money. He PMed me saying he had a guy that was going to give him a staking deal "I don't know what the future brings for me(have an offer of staking to play some poker tournaments which I might) but I would have to stay completely away from the pits - something I have never been able to do"

His PM was in response to me calling him out in the original thread. I was pretty harsh and he responded "You summed it up exactly about my gambling addiction - very well stated."

I felt like he was being sarcastic but he claimed that he wasn't. Not sure what to believe because this guy is seriously messed up. It sounds to me like Mike manipulated chainsaw into believing that he is a better person than he actually is.
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12-12-2014 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Maybe there's a movie in this ?

Maybe his cousin from Brooklyn, Vinny Borovetz, will come down to defend his case ?

Vinny: My client was caught completely by surprise. He thought if he used his real name then he would not get arrested for fraud.

Judge Haller: What are you telling me? That he pleads not guilty?

Vinny: No. I'm just trying to explain.If you would let me I'll play a podcast for the Court ...

Judge Haller: I don't want to hear explanations. The state of North Carolina has a procedure. And that procedure is to have an arraignment. Are we clear on this?

Vinny: Yes, but there seems to be a great deal of confusion here. You see, my client--

Judge Haller: Uh, Mr. Borovetz ? (motions for him to approach the bench) All I ask from you is a very simple answer to a very simple question. There are only two ways to answer it: guilty or not guilty.

Vinny: But your honor, my client didn't do anything, just listen to the podcast ....

Judge Haller: Once again, the communication process is broken down. It appears to me that you want to skip the arraignment process, go directly to trial, skip that, and get a dismissal. Well, I'm not about to revamp the entire judicial process just because you find yourself in the unique position of defending clients who say they didn't do it. The next words out of your mouth better be "guilty" or "not guilty." I don't want to hear commentary, argument, or opinion. If I hear anything other than "guilty" or "not guilty", you'll be in contempt. I don't even want to hear you clear your throat. Now, (enunciating) how do your clients plead?

Vinny: (enunciating) I think I get the point.

Judge Haller: No, I don't think you do. You're now in contempt of court. Would you like to go for two counts of contempt?

Vinny: Not guilty.

Judge Haller: Thank you.

...

Mike: Maybe if you put up some kind of a fight, you could have gotten the case thrown out!

Vinny: Hey, Mikey . You're in North-fu**ing-Carolina. You come from New York. You scammed 5 good ole boys on the same day and got arrested again after you made bond on the first four. There is NO WAY this is not going to trial.
lol
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12-12-2014 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Shame on 2p2 for allowing this continued bashing of borovetz and not even letting the man defend himself or explain his actions.
You are seriously an even bigger waste of life parasite than borovetz you enabling piece of ****. Do you have anything that even resembles a conscience or self-respect?

Oh but hey, at least you keep an eye out for bad blind structures
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12-12-2014 , 01:48 PM
First Chainsaw bashes weed. Now he's defending scammers.

heh
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12-12-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
I wonder if his 2+2 posts will be used for/against him ? Damn . . .
hes up the creek without the paddle imho
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12-12-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NoQuarter
2p2 gonna 2p2




Oops, how that work out for ya?? Lulz
I knew I could draw him out!
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12-12-2014 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
PP if youre going to have threads like this you can't ban the individual being bashed.

He obviously has a problem.
OK I'll play along. Please explain in detail why not? Why isn't the ban for his and our member's protection from a serial self admitted scammer?

This thread wouldn't exist without his recidivism.

What can he or you possibly post in his defence.
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12-12-2014 , 02:40 PM
It almost seems like he wants a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, and poker for smokes.
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12-12-2014 , 03:18 PM
One thing I don't fully understand. How does he get comped at hotels everywhere he goes? I understand he has gambled consistently but how much money could a homeless beggar really spend?

Could Chainsaw be helping him out with comps?
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