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12-19-2014 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Flartels

What kind of sentence would you see fit?
Put him on a convict road crew cleaning up right-of-way.

Any money he earns goes to a pool distributed to his victims. When he has paid them off he can keep working to pay back the state for his food/keep.

That will keep him from robbing anybody for a while plus the people and his victims will benefit.

Too tough for some? Too freakin bad. 300 strikes and you're out.
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12-19-2014 , 11:40 AM
Didn't someone post he was already out of jail?
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12-19-2014 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
Didn't someone post he was already out of jail?
Yes. How does that work? He had a $50,000 bond. Who would pay that?
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12-19-2014 , 01:23 PM
Mike should move to Canada to grind softer airports.
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12-19-2014 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ChoakMyDee
Yes. How does that work? He had a $50,000 bond. Who would pay that?
It is sometimes possible to post only 10% of the bond in cash. But he would be a high risk, even for that amount. And he would have to travel through airports to get back there for any court proceedings, which would compound the problem.
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12-19-2014 , 01:59 PM
you guys dont realize, his birthday is January 7th, I wonder if he will get lucky in the Pits on his Bday, then the movie will have the cash to move forward!
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12-19-2014 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
It is sometimes possible to post only 10% of the bond in cash. But he would be a high risk, even for that amount. And he would have to travel through airports to get back there for any court proceedings, which would compound the problem.
LOL...Care to explain how you reached your conclusion of him being a high risk? Previous FTA's? Ties to other countries? Lot's of cash on hand? Has previously made statements he would flee the country if given the chance?
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12-19-2014 , 02:04 PM
Does his book have a release date yet??
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12-19-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ihavethewheel
Does his book have a release date yet??
This
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12-19-2014 , 02:36 PM
Regarding all the hatred toward Mike, I don't get it.

He was exposed, he immediately came on 2 + 2 and admitted everything. He also went into great detail about his life and how he got there. He didn't come on here crying and asking for help, he just came here and said "Yup, It's me, I did it, etc."

It was all the do-gooders and bleeding hearts who decided that Mike needed help but they failed to realize that he never asked for it.

Of course when all the offers of help flooded in , he quickly took advantage...who wouldn't ffs, considering who he is? What they failed to realize is that Mike wasn't ready...not even close. Then they have the gall to get all incensed when Mike goes back to his old ways.

The guys who helped him are the fools, not Mike. Mike is still doing what he does because that's who he is and he's going to keep doing it until either:

a. He dies.
b. He gets locked up for an extended period.
c. He experiences a catharsis.

Now if and when he does reach the point where he legitimately wants to change, and he needs and wants help, then by all means he should get it, but, honestly, very little charity in the true sense of the word is needed by somebody who legitimately wants to change. If he wants to change, he will make the effort, he will get a job, become self-supporting and begin to make amends.

In the meantime, I don't understand all the hatred. I see him as a wretched, sad, person and I feel pity. I don't feel anger. On the other hand, a guy like Erik Lindgren, a guy who got caught scamming, didn't try to make amends, actually laughed about it and refused to pay!, that's a guy who deserves the wrath of the poker community(among others).
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12-19-2014 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
LOL...Care to explain how you reached your conclusion of him being a high risk?
Yes numbnuts.

There was a bench warrant recently issued for Michael Borovetz for failing to appear in Clark County court.

08/22/2014 Warrant Issued
08/22/2014 Bench Warrant Confidential
08/22/2014 Bench Warrant - Face Sheet
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12-19-2014 , 04:12 PM
I have never seen this gem surface on any of the Borovetz threads

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2012/0...ek-4-12926.htm

A poker hand played out between Jim Collopy and Michael Borovetz that caused an awful lot of controversy and had the floor man making a very difficult decision.

The action had reached the river of an board with around 25,000 chips in the middle.

Collopy was first to act from under the gun and he checked. Borovetz said, "Ten."

Collopy thought his opponent was declaring his hand value and opened . The dealer mucked Collopy's hand and it was after this that Borovetz opened for five-high.

Borovetz claimed he was betting 10,000, and argued that he wouldn't declare a ten as he had five-four. Collopy argued that at no point did Borovetz motion to bet or put any chips in on the river.

Isaac Haxton said it looked like a blatant angle to him, and a great "move" to remember for the future.

The floor was called and ruled in favor of Borovetz, but gave no clear indication as to why. We can assume that it was the dealer error that cost Collopy the pot, as he mucked his hand before Borovetz opened a winning hand that must be shown to collect the pot.
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12-19-2014 , 04:17 PM
I asked Mike directly about that hand in the previous thread and he did not answer.
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12-19-2014 , 04:30 PM
In Mecklenburg County, as most other places in the U.S., you only have to put up 10% of the bond to get out. Considering he obviously can't pay a bail bondsman, he has friend(s) or family that are bailing him out of these situations (and therefore enabling him).
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12-19-2014 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JMicLett
In Mecklenburg County, as most other places in the U.S., you only have to put up 10% of the bond to get out. Considering he obviously can't pay a bail bondsman, he has friend(s) or family that are bailing him out of these situations (and therefore enabling him).
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12-19-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Flartels
You really think 20 years is a fair punishment????

Let me guess, you are from the US? I am glad I do not live in your world...



Small sentence and mandatory help from a shrink would be my choice...

Sure, a short sentence would be appropriate punishment but is unlikely to correct the problem. Ideally, the state would euthanize hopeless perpetrators like this for the betterment of society but obviously that won't realistically happen in our lifetime.

I do agree with Allen that Borovetz should be allowed to post here if for nothing else than the lulz. The site can take precautions to limit their liability without completely banning him. It is in our best interest as a community for him to continue to post because his posts are pure GOLD. BTW, I'm sure law enforcement agencies across the country would appreciate it if you allowed him to post more as well.
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12-19-2014 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JMicLett
In Mecklenburg County, as most other places in the U.S., you only have to put up 10% of the bond to get out. Considering he obviously can't pay a bail bondsman, he has friend(s) or family that are bailing him out of these situations (and therefore enabling him).
I think his family stopped helping him a long time ago, and rightly so.
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12-19-2014 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
Sure, a short sentence would be appropriate punishment but is unlikely to correct the problem. Ideally, the state would euthanize hopeless perpetrators like this for the betterment of society but obviously that won't realistically happen in our lifetime.
No, ideally the US would take a look at some other countries and realize that, in comparison, the US justice/prison-system is horribly flawed and that's the reason why "hopeless perpetrators" are hopeless.

I do agree that probably won't happen in our lifetime though.
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12-19-2014 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
Sure, a short sentence would be appropriate punishment but is unlikely to correct the problem. Ideally, the state would euthanize hopeless perpetrators like this for the betterment of society but obviously that won't realistically happen in our lifetime.

I do agree with Allen that Borovetz should be allowed to post here if for nothing else than the lulz. The site can take precautions to limit their liability without completely banning him. It is in our best interest as a community for him to continue to post because his posts are pure GOLD. BTW, I'm sure law enforcement agencies across the country would appreciate it if you allowed him to post more as well.
it won't realistically happen in anyones life time. if it did, there would not be many people left....
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12-19-2014 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerFan2008
it won't realistically happen in anyones life time. if it did, there would not be many people left....

Not everyone perpetrates crimes and most that do aren't hopeless. I concur that the U.S. Justice system is broken and that more emphasis should be placed on rehabilitation. However, the likelihood that a sociopath like Borovetz can be successfully rehabilitated is very very low.
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12-19-2014 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by YappingYoda
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I was in vegas at Bellagio. Mike called me right after this thread started and said you guys were clueless and that he was already out.
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12-19-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
I was in vegas at Bellagio. Mike called me right after this thread started and said you guys were clueless and that he was already out.
It was all a big misunderstanding no doubt. On to the next airport we should start a pool on where his next arrest will be. I would never have guessed North Carolina. For a homeless person Mike is really transiently agile. He should put Honolulu on his bucket list of airports imo.

Last edited by ZeckoRiver; 12-19-2014 at 10:18 PM.
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12-19-2014 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerFan2008
it won't realistically happen in anyones life time. if it did, there would not be many people left....
Nah, there still would be plenty of people, but they would be locked up in the system. Essentially, you guys are proposing is extending the death penalty to other crimes. The determination of "hopeless perpetrator" would still be a tough standard to meet. I recall a figure that only two percent of all convicted murderers in the U.S. are sentenced to death.

Mike's brain is like a car that has sat up on blocks in someone's yard for 10 years and has not passed a mechanic's eyes since. Can it be fixed? Or is it beyond repair (i.e. hopeless)? Impossible to know for sure, because the owner refuses to bring it into a shop.
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12-19-2014 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
It was all a big misunderstanding no doubt. On to the next airport we should start a pool on where his next arrest will be. I would never have guessed North Carolina. For a homeless person Mike is really transiently agile. He should put Honolulu on his bucket list of airports imo.
Honolulu would be a poor choice for him. Hawaii is one of two states without legalized gambling. If he did the scamming in Honolulu, there would be -EV -- jumping on a plane to Vegas, the plane fare would deplete his buy-in funds. Heck does he really care?
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12-19-2014 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
It was all a big misunderstanding no doubt. On to the next airport we should start a pool on where his next arrest will be. I would never have guessed North Carolina. For a homeless person Mike is really transiently agile. He should put Honolulu on his bucket list of airports imo.
Just follow the WSOP Circuit event schedule. The next two spots are Choctaw and Tunica after this current stop in AC.
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