talk about tilting for the remaining players

Agree on every point, very well reasoned. (Ideally the investigation could be completed in less than 3-6 months tho)

So borgata makes out with 300k off of us while not doing their job.

I enjoyed and agreed with your post with the exception of not paying out the players . Should 23 players suffer for 3/6 months because 4 may have cheated ? No . Pay them / investigate / bring criminal charges / ban from casinos

Guy before was right, they aren't gonna halt a 5000 entry tourney for 24hrs on a hunch there might be fakes. THERE WERE FAKE CHIPS.

The tournament was stopped because the game may have been compromised. I don't think this is a false alarm. Plenty of press on this one. http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...prelim-events/

this is gona be like the most watched "floor" ruling of all time

Those of you asking for Tab to weigh in on here have to put yourselves in his shoes. 2p2 is probably so far from his mind right now. I'm sure Tab and his crew have been scrambling all day trying to deal with this. He'll comment eventually but I doubt it will be soon.

As for WPT/Borgata, I hope this doesn't hurt their partnership. This probably could have happened at any venue running this size event. Precautions obviously need to be taken in the future to prevent anything like this happening again though. Hopefully those precautions will be adopted industry wide.

+1... Also, for anyone who says they should do a chip chop or play it out, what if, hypothetically, 4 of the last 27 are cheaters? Additionally, what if thee is no surveillance video and they can't prove anything? Again, hypothetically, if they refund everyone, the cheaters didn't 'get away with it'...

If they do refund all players, Chainsaw would be insisting Hendonmob list it as a min-cash.

Huh ? So u think counterfeiting 1 set of chips is profitable but counterfeiting 3 sets wouldn't be ?

Time for RFID chips?

Any chance this chip # discrepancy was due to error during color ups? No idea if 1M+ chips could be added this way, but I haven't seen this speculation yet in this thread. Obv moot point if counterfeit chips are 100% legit identified.

If they don't refund the buy-ins, some lawyer will file a class action lawsuit, make a boatload, and those who didn't cash, will get a check for $5.50

I said this like five posts ago

I will say they should not profit in any way from this event. Not sure what a proper resolution is....

I'm telling you inside job. Player approaches floor person who is a friend with idea I'll give you $5,000 swap this two racks of fake chips for real chips when your out of site of cameras when pushing chip cart. Or setting up tournament chips. Reason for my silvers looking funny when I re bought. When I saw the initial pic I thought the chip on right was real chip because that's what mine looked like and felt weird. Cheaters now bring in official borgata chips instead of fake ones so they aren't questioned. No ones gonna question a rentry with a fresh stack with 3 fake silvers all looking the same.

Refund all buy ins and all money people lost on table games for being tilted from losing to cheaters it was a ripple effect!

There are places in borgata with no cameras?

Give back the $$ collected for buy-in and juice.

Comp everyone who bought in with a $100,000 freeroll online. The best $100,000 they could spend at this point.

Good one.

The ceiling is very high in the conference room tournament area. Poker room itself has way better surveillance

No question. Short of an entire refund beginning at the time the tournament was compromised, it will be difficult to make everyone happy. And even then, you've got to pay out the 27... no matter what, these players must be paid. But, the ruling will be by gaming. It's the Borgata with millions at stake. Anytime there is lots of money in the game, there will be cheaters looking for an advantage. But, I agree with some of the guys who commented that there is a reasonable expectation that the Borgata assumes the responsibility to protect the game. This situation may also may change the way tables break and the chips are handled at a lot of tournaments. There maybe a precedent created at the Borgata by this ruling.

The floors decision, no matter how misguided, is final.

There is no good fix for this. How about the person on the bubble, who may have been knocked out by someone that shouldn't have chips in the first place?

Were the 5K chips in play from the beginning or introduced during a color-up?

In that event center I'm sure there's an area with no cameras: maybe where the chip sets are set up there's a camera outside the room but not in I've worked in casinos and seen rooms without cameras. Maybe a floor person had access who ever is setting up chips has two grey racks walks into an office saying he didn't want to leave the chips laying around has fake chips in a bag in there easy swap. And who knows when it was done he swap coulda been in the fall open they just now got to the fake racks of chips.