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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

01-25-2014 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
Why did he flush chips down the toilet to get rid of them? Did he not look out the window and notice that the ATLANTIC OCEAN is RIGHT THERE???
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Originally Posted by Kittens
And instead of dumping he could have just gone all in on the ocean nearby ...
Playing Denis Leary to Tyler Durden's Bill Hicks.
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01-25-2014 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
It's fairly simple say you have 800k fake chips. Every time you enter a pot you use the fake chips. When you lose, you lose fake chips, when u win u win real chips. You may lose 200k but in the end you'll end up with 600k all in real chips. Why is this so hard to understand. When they counted him down, if he had planned this out properly he shouldn't have had any fake chips left.
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Originally Posted by FRYTWO
AK seems to know an awful lot about "pulling a fast one"
Not exactly rocket science, do you take notes to remember to put trash in the trash can as well? Really, who doesn't get this or wouldn't think of this immediately if asked how someone could get rid of fake chips. Hoping this was just another bad bandwagon trolling attempt of AK.
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01-25-2014 , 04:36 AM
Chainsaw makes perfect sense with ammo in your poket you play plenty of pots. Wont mind losing some. Always put in an oversized fake for change. They look so different ez to tell whuch chip ur putting jn

He àlso might have had5or 6 table changes dispersing chips all over.
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01-25-2014 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
My bad.
No need to apologize, just because the post was 12 hours earlier than the arrest. We don't know if the post is what tipped them off to his whereabouts, or even if he is JustbeacauseIcan, but that time frame would be much more likely than the simultaneous post and bust scenario. Would take time to look into new leads and daytime busts are less stormtropper style.
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01-25-2014 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
No NO NO. I said dump them in Men's room. NOT the mens room
\o/ WINNING \o/
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01-25-2014 , 06:12 AM
Is the WSOPC safe because their chips look easy to duplicate.
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01-25-2014 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by pokervangelist
Orginally posted on the 17th see the 17th quote post i took it down because wasnt right to name him based just on his 2008 arrest. Posted later after i discovered he took his Facebook page down which i thought was a MAJOR red flag
Confirmed, would have been post #86 ITT:

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Interesting day 1bc chip leader Christian Lusardi who has little tournament prior cashes and had almost 3/4 more chips than day 1a chip leader has past criminal gambling record. Obviously should be looked at closely http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3684348/
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01-25-2014 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by justbecauseican
Men the Master had absolutely nothing to do with it. It not a SCHEME to cheat. You simply can't add junky looking spray painted chips to a tournament, obviously!! I'm not making this up. Not looking for a book deal. I was just saying that everyone deserves to know the real story. Those reasons can't be explained right now. Legal issues. I just felt that the players need to know what's gonna be happening. As far as the Borgata and reimbursement I have no idea. My best guess is that the chips fell in the hands of some young guns...and several of them added a few at a time. Probably didn't even cash. If surveillance has them on camera that I do not know. But chips were stolen and used, and that was not the purpose of them. Yes this is complicated and hard to comprehend, but that is all I can say at this point. Sorry doesn't even come close. I caused this mess, and I'll do some jail time and pay the piper. I'm sure everyone would prefer tarred and feathered thought.
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Originally Posted by justbecauseican
No.... nobody looking for attention. Some of it may not come out in court proceedings. Someone may be in jeopardy of harm if the facts came out in state court. I am waiting until Monday because I am trying to arrange bond etc. They are throwing harsh charges and very high bond. Plus I may not be going anywhere for a while. Getting some affairs in order. I'm sorry that it is confusing and frustrating. That is simply all I can say for now. Don't make accusations of who you think it was intended for as you will all be wrong. My reason for even posting was simply to let everyone know that this will end Monday as far as the criminal aspect. As far as refunds and such I would think Borgata will do the right thing. That's all for now. The only other thing I can mention is once I found out the chips made it into play, I flushed the rest down the toilet. Why the toilet? I don't know. If Harrah's had better plumbing I may not be posting this right now. Gotta go.
I'm just catching up on the thread at 3:00 AM so it could be that I'm tired and missing something, but even if his story is true, how are people getting that this would be Christian? Isn't he speculating as to how the chips came to be played in the tournament? If his story is true, and I'm reading his posts correctly, he wasn't playing with the chips.

Time for bed, and I guess I'll see later today if there's a lot of people with poor reading comprehension, or if I'm the idiot that should be posting less after 3:00 AM.

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01-25-2014 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Time for bed, and I guess I'll see later today if there's a lot of people with poor reading comprehension, or if I'm the idiot that should be posting less after 3:00 AM.
The problem with your conditional statement in this case is that the first half is always true, regardless of the correctness of the second half.
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01-25-2014 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I'm just catching up on the thread at 3:00 AM so it could be that I'm tired and missing something, but even if his story is true, how are people getting that this would be Christian? Isn't he speculating as to how the chips came to be played in the tournament? If his story is true, and I'm reading his posts correctly, he wasn't playing with the chips.

Time for bed, and I guess I'll see later today if there's a lot of people with poor reading comprehension, or if I'm the idiot that should be posting less after 3:00 AM.
Sir Bobo,

justbecasueican comes on and tries to cleanse his soul with 2+2 confessions, says he was involved, more to the story, oh I flushed chips down my toilet and will be arrested on Monday

next day

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New Jersey state police say the investigation began when workers at Harrah's Resort went to unclog a sewer pipe in Lusardi's hotel room. The workers found $2.7 million in counterfeit Borgata chips.
So

EITHER

Rusardi and justbeacuseican both flushed chips down the toilet of different rooms and only justbecauseican's chip "dump" made it safely thru the plumbing

OR

the two shared the same room at Harrahs (quite plausible as scammers like to hang with scammers)

OR

they are one in the same.
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01-25-2014 , 08:33 AM
Or justbecause was obvious BS-ing
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01-25-2014 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk
Has to be more to the story. Only a child would flush chips down the toilet.
In my experience there are plenty of adults who don't have the slightest concept of how plumbing actually works. They seem to think a toilet magically disintegrates anything placed into it.

If one of these people was also strung out, it might seem like a good idea to magically disintegrate the chips instead of taking the tiny chance that they would be traced back to him if he just threw them in some random dumpster.
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01-25-2014 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Okay, I see what you're getting at... it would be very much a methodical, three-steps-forward-two-steps-back process, but eventually you'd unload all of your fakes. Plus, you could easily get rid of a bunch in one fell swoop at the end of the day by picking a good spot to dump -- a bluff that you know won't work, or an attempted "hero call" in a spot where you are sure you're beat.

A bit of a tell-tale sight would be watching this guy stack his chips after winning a sizable pot. While most people grab up like denominations in little chunks, he would be meticulously sorting his newly won gray chips out like forks and knives into a utensil drawer. These go here, these go there... But most people wouldn't be looking for that unless they suspected something from the get-go.
OK, we have to throw a yellow flag on this logic.

If he is so successful at dumping the fake chips, then there is no way he can accumulate. They can get spread around the table, but if they are a substantial fraction of the table, he's still going to end up a signficant number in his stack.

Those he sends into the pots he wins, he gets back. If he accumulates chips (which he'd have to do to survive into the money), then he's going to still have fakes.

While the chips added were a small fraction of the total in the tournament, they had to be a large fraction of the total on his table(s).

Whats he supposed to do? Dump all his fakes and then fold in any pot where there are put back in? And win enough to stay alive?

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01-25-2014 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by danspartan
OK, we have to throw a yellow flag on this logic.

If he is so successful at dumping the fake chips, then there is no way he can accumulate. They can get spread around the table, but if they are a substantial fraction of the table, he's still going to end up a signficant number in his stack.
That what he wants. Being the only one with NO fake chips at a table would be a huge red flag. So I'm not really sure why people are trying to set that as the goal.

The scammer will presumably be splashing around at first, and if he bets only fake chips only for a while, he can forget all about it later and just play his normal game/style, not worry about sorting his chip stacks, etc.
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01-25-2014 , 09:20 AM
Any chance the real chips are electronically tagged and something went awry when Borgata did a standard sweep of the room?
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01-25-2014 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tangram
Any chance the real chips are electronically tagged and something went awry when Borgata did a standard sweep of the room?
Doesn't appear that way. A news story previously included in this thread says Borgata was alerted about the "chip dump" and that was what started their investigation. Scary to think that he may have been just one dumb move away from pulling it off.
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01-25-2014 , 10:09 AM
When they say $2.7M in fake chips in the toilet, it sounds good in the story, but it is really about $70K in fake chips, 2.7M chips at 20K for $500.

Why wouldn't you dump them in some dumpster, lol?

Some people think they won the lottery, like they are going to refund everyone's buyins. It would be nice, but don't see why they should do that because of one cheater.
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01-25-2014 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tabneedsfired
Why would people on Day1a or Day1b get their money refunded?

This guy didn't introduce the chips until Day1c.
this is a critical point of fact... source?

How would one prove that NO chips were introduced before?

I didn't play in tourney. what was opening chip stack denoms?
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01-25-2014 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Popetman
Or justbecause was obvious BS-ing
wait.. are you saying he just made up the story about chip flushing cuz he thought it was funny and it was a total coincidence that it was correct?

I guess that's theoretically possible, in practice seems very improbable.
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01-25-2014 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
No NO NO. I said dump them in Men's room. NOT the mens room
You just won the internet. Pure genius.
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01-25-2014 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SenatorKevin
Brace yourselves....

Non poker friends and family will be sending you articles amazed that someone would flush millions down the drain unaware that tourney chips carry no cash value.
No doubt. I did notice that ABC News didn't include dollar signs in front of the tournament chip values. The same can't be said for other news articles I've seen covering this.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/c...-case-21660062

Lusardi was jailed on $300,000 bail, with no option to pay 10 percent in cash to gain his release.
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01-25-2014 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
wait.. are you saying he just made up the story about chip flushing cuz he thought it was funny and it was a total coincidence that it was correct?

I guess that's theoretically possible, in practice seems very improbable.
There were rumors of chips in a harrah's toilet way before this guy started posting.
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01-25-2014 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
ZenForest posts this early on, and nothing. Sundot does the same and gets applause.

Obviously, people like Sundot more than they like Zenforest.
Duuuh. My delivery was better.
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01-25-2014 , 11:55 AM
Personally I would have headed straight to the boardwalk and dumped them in the ocean.
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01-25-2014 , 12:03 PM
"The investigation revealed evidence that Lusardi introduced the counterfeit chips into the tournament on multiple occasions, state police Trooper Jeffrey Flynn said. It also was determined that Lusardi won $6,814 during the tournament."

http://www.fayobserver.com/news/crim...e6a3e6468.html
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