I dont see anything in that article to allude to his game running anything other than a poker game. I really think him running a game is a moot point.

The fact that he had 70% more in chips could be a reason to raise an eyebrow, I guess. I'm also trying to see why shutting down his FB page would be a reason to scrutinize this guy?

Putting someone's name out there for these reasons is pretty dumb IMO. It's not like blaming Men The Master as he has a repeated history of cheating.

Day 1a = 1212 Entries Chip Leader = Torrey Korsog 372k 1.02% Chips
Day 1b = 2094 Entries Chip Leader = Christian Lusardi 519k .832% Chips
Day 1c = 1506 Entries Chip Leader = Andre Nyffeler 327k .72% Chips


Nothing seems out of the norm IMO

I'd prefer him keep signing posts over you not posting at all.

Iirc second on 1b had like 370k. So a lot bigger gap there. The Facebook part is strange timing for any other reason besides trying to hide.

Pretty obv his name would be at the top of list along with others who amassed chips Day 1. Just think he would stand out. If you read article and police report it was than a "Home Game" http://police.ci.fayetteville.nc.us/...d=106200822152
Shutting down FB page the day after event was suspended I think is very odd

In the world of Incident Analysis, these are some Contributing Factors:

1. One or more cheaters introduced counterfeit chips
2. Borgata already had two slightly different 5k chip colors
3. Chip counts were not independently verified at the end of the day
4. Chip counts were not independently verified before and after table changes
5. Some dealers could not differentiate between real and fake chips
6. There was incomplete video surveillance in some playing areas

As far as I can tell Christian lusardi finished somewhere between 28-86

not sure if anything like this has been mentioned

one of the guys whos plays at our local cardroom finished in the 50's or so I believe, and got one of those print out things you bring to the cashier for like $5kish?

He didn't cash it right away because he won a ton in the cash games and didn't want to be carrying around $8-10k in his pocket

He went to cash it after they suspended the tournament and they won't pay him lol

I'd be mad

In the interest of the spirit of poker I'm willing to provide a general open-source license for the use of the idea under the condition that no-one else attempt to patent it later.

And btw to any casino reading this... my 20 years of software design experience is open to discussions about project lead roles...

And yes, RFID isn't *cheap* - I believe if you want RFID badges for things like convention style events (yes, I've looked into it) that the cost is about $2.00 per badge. Way too prohibitive for one time venues.

But poker tournaments aren't one time venues, and the chips can be the simplest kind of WORM chips (write once read many) that once encoded with the venue ID (Borgata) and denomination never need be coded again.

It would be a large expense - but it would be a large, one time, capitalized expense for the Casino which might very well be worth the long term investment to save the credibility of the joint.

any update or confirmation about the stash of borgata chips that were allegedly flushed down the toilet in harrahs?

These illegal chips were in use on day 1....video can check table 57...group 1c....there was an army of them....around 1am. If they are confirmed to be the, "lite silver"....I saw about 100k worth of them

He was right in the post you quoted. Someone needs to correct when idiots post crappy thoughtless ideas and opinions.

I don't think you're grasping how my proposed solution would work - and I'm not sure you're correct on the ability of RFID scanners to scan multiple tags at once either. No power passive tags can run as cheap as $0.15/tag. That would make the chips more expensive, yes, but the chips don't exactly wear out anytime soon either.

http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Techno....asp?ArtNum=20

Low tech solutions include calibrated transparent chip wrappers and chip trays, instead of loosely bagged chips and random chip castles.

Additional though - a single casino wouldn't *have* to invest in the technology. This could be an opportunity for a leasing company that provides the chips and the tables to major tournaments and oversees their operation, provides training, etc.

That would definitely push the cost up though of course.

360-degree panoramic video camera in the center of each table
$50

http://www.kogeto.com/dotspots/772UU...d#.Ut69Vft6e9I

Very cool but - card obstruction?

Elevate on a clear column, or suspend from flexible tent poles?

The use of the word "cancelled" in an official statement/press release has real meaning. The tourney is over. There will not be any completion of THIS tourney for the 27 remaining players. (a brutal bad beat)

Also, the Gaming Commission is a NJ Government Agency. They can (and most probably will) demand that moneys already paid out be returned since they were the result of fraudulent activity. They won't care if the money has already been spent, used for other buy-ins or lost in the pits. The people who profited from the Madoff debacle have been relentlessly pursued to return their profits without regards to innocence or lack of knowledge. The same will happen here.

All buy-ins will be returned to all of the players at some point.

All of this is outside of the Borgata's hands.

What Borgata will do to "make it right" is a another issue. That is something that will be based on PR /marketing concerns. Maybe a new tourney down the line? Maybe some comps in addition to the returned buy-in? Who knows?

I'll wait for my returned buy-in and play on.

At best we will only see more controls put in place, probable higher fees, capped player fields and/or reduced pay-outs.

Poker does not have a warm, fuzzy spot in casino management's hearts already and this is not something we needed.

As usual, the ****heads drag all of us down.

They have no power to do that, even in NJ. Especially so in other states. Unless the fraudulent activity can be positively linked to a specific individual.

Nope - guy's an idiot - just tards up the forum.

But is this for after it starts or before?

I was there, not a lot of information offered. Basically anyone who read the DGE press release knows as much as we do. Joe Lupo said the tournament was cancelled by order of the DGE and that the DGE would be holding the remaining prize pool while they investigate the matter. Then there were twenty minutes or so of questions from players (well, some of them were more accusations and threats than questions) with Joe Lupo frequently answering "I don't know" and "this is a question only the DGE can answer". On this front I thought one player had the best question of the day: "Why is there nobody from the DGE here?"
Joe didn't real have an answer for that one.
It was an emotional scene and nobody was really asking specific questions about how Borgata would pay us but the big question, repeatedly asked in one way or another was IF and WHEN we were getting paid. Joe was clearly in no position to answer this definitively but the most encouraging aspect of this whole meeting was Joe emphasizing on several occasions that there are things that the Borgata could do regardless of what the DGE did. He specifically said he thought there was the possibility of us playing it out or chopping up the prize pool. There were angry responses from players regarding the idea of playing this at a later date ("You going to fly me down here?!?! Pay for any work I miss?!?!") His job was to calm us down and give us the confidence that the Borgata wanted to do the right thing but was incapable of doing anything until the DGE did their investigation. Many left the meeting enraged but I was more or less convinced that we were eventually going to be compensated fairly; "I don't know what the DGE is going to do or how quickly they are going to do it but we (the Borgata) are going to resolve this" was, at least by my interpretation, Joe's overall message. Maybe his job description on this day was to keep us from hiring lawyers but he seemed to be on our side. I dunno, maybe I'm just a naif.

I do totally agree that is a bit disconcerting that nobody has been arrested yet (I already posted this concern). If, as we assume, it was a conspiracy with multiple parties I'm just guessing the DGE wants all the guilty parties arrested together. Maybe they have one whose guilt is certain while they remain unsure who else was in on it. A few of us players milled about the event center for some time. Maybe because I was one of the player's with the most stoic response (right after the meeting ended I was joking about getting screwed and several poker pros had questions and comments for me like "why aren't you angry right now?" and "I would be going ballistic if it were me") Joe Lupo actually approached me individually about an hour after the meeting and asked a few questions about how a chip chop works and what options the Borgata might have here. I directly asked him if they knew who was guilty and his coy response was that he cannot provide that information but that he thinks the DGE already has a lot of evidence and they will be able to resolve the matter quickly. Let's hope so

BTW, they took photocopies of our driver's licenses...they have verified the identities of the final 27...shouldnt need a second i.d. if they want to arrest us or pay us

Read the first part you highlighted.

They said nothing about canceling AFTER dealing of the first hand ...

Yeah, legal higgery diggery

hmmmm. I think any detective would call that a "person of interest", right?