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01-18-2014 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher
I'm definitely taking my business somewhere else maybe Maryland live will start to host big tournaments. All of their dealers are professional about almost everything.
Well, they wouldn't be experienced and professional with 4000 runners. They'd need a boat load of temp and inexperienced dealers to run 250 tables. And they would surely be temp dealers, just like every other place. No easy solution to dealer experience in large turn out tournaments.
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01-18-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FlapJacks316
I qualified online through Party Poker NJ in their 50 seats satty into event 1. If Borgata doesnt come through with a refund, you better believe I'm hitting up Party Poker with refund demands.
agree and keep us posted
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01-18-2014 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher
I'm definitely taking my business somewhere else maybe Maryland live will start to host big tournaments. All of their dealers are professional about almost everything.
How many 5,000 player tourneys have they hosted ?
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01-18-2014 , 12:20 PM
There is one other possibility here. They do a chip audit at the end of day 2 and find 1.1M extra 5K chips in play,and assume they are counterfeit.

One poster has said his entire table started with an extra 5K chip. What if someone with poor math skills set up 22 tables with an extra 5K chip at each seat?

I'm not sure what would be worse...
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01-18-2014 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by layemdown
Well, they wouldn't be experienced and professional with 4000 runners. They'd need a boat load of temp and inexperienced dealers to run 250 tables. And they would surely be temp dealers, just like every other place. No easy solution to dealer experience in large turn out tournaments.
I mean technically it was like 1200, 1800, 1800 entries on days not counting guys with multiple bullets. 1500 players is only 150 tables you can't find 150 competent dealers for 10'hours. I know there's side events and stuff but that stuff doesn't start until the big ones are narrowing down players.

Running two day 1s on same day made them have to have 300 dealers that day essentially they should do separate days which means less dealers and more competent dealers.
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01-18-2014 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FlapJacks316
I qualified online through Party Poker NJ in their 50 seats satty into event 1. If Borgata doesnt come through with a refund, you better believe I'm hitting up Party Poker with refund demands.

Def keep us posted, I also qualified online.




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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher
I mean technically it was like 1200, 1800, 1800 entries on days not counting guys with multiple bullets. 1500 players is only 150 tables you can't find 150 competent dealers for 10'hours. I know there's side events and stuff but that stuff doesn't start until the big ones are narrowing down players.

Running two day 1s on same day made them have to have 300 dealers that day essentially they should do separate days which means less dealers and more competent dealers.

The dealers were god awful on Day 1 A.. the one kid at my table busted and said he was dealer tilted and refused to rebuy... Pretty sure we were dealing 5-7 hands per half hour in the beginning
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01-18-2014 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
There is one other possibility here. They do a chip audit at the end of day 2 and find 1.1M extra 5K chips in play,and assume they are counterfeit.

One poster has said his entire table started with an extra 5K chip. What if someone with poor math skills set up 22 tables with an extra 5K chip at each seat?

I'm not sure what would be worse...
If they were real they would of squashed it already.
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01-18-2014 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
Men the Master iirc hasn't been to the Borgata in years. All of a sudden he shows up for event 1 and goes super super deep???? Obviously with his history of cheating,, chip stealing etc he should definitely be a focal point of the investigation initially. His influence on cheating in the poker world is pretty substantial as he has quite a few "horses" doing the same kind of thing.

I remember back in January 2007 at the Goldstrike Casino in Tunica I was playing a $1060 mega(better juice back then) to win a seat into the $10,000 main event. 1 of Men's good buddies, Jimmy Tran was at my table and he had lost 1/2 his stack early on. On the 1st break he goes and chats with his wife Angie(who was also playing) and when he comes back to our table he had a lot more chips than at the start of the break!!! Well I noticed this along with a couple others and as it turns out, Jimmy's wife gave him a bunch of chips she took from her table before the break. I complained and they did an investigation(Jimmy had to sit out along with his wife while the floor reviewed the cameras).

The outcome was ridiculous and echos a statement earlier in this thread by Mr. Lawton - Ken Lambert ackowledged they colluded with each other and disqualified them from the satellite. HOWEVER, and this is a BIG HOWEVER - Lambert REFUNDED THE $1060 BACK TO BOTH JIMMY AND HIS WIFE!!! I mean, WTF was that???? A refund after they are caught cheating???? I was pissed and started arguing with Ken Lambert and some others did as well. Men the Master was observing all of this(probably was coaching them) and he saw how angry I was. Hours later after I won a seat(again back in the day when mega satellites had good structures not like today) Men pulls me aside and starts telling me how much he likes my play and wants to take a BIG PIECE OF ME FOR THE MAIN, LOL. I had never spoken with him in my life and I told him no thanks and walked away.

Trust me, his influence should not be diminished.
Years ago, think my first WSOP, played a mega and was out in the tent, guy at my table was one of Men's boys. The two were talking periodically. I didn't know about the shadiness of Men, just knew he spat out his beer at a final table when they used to televise like 10 WSOP final tables every year, thought he was a ~funny crotchety old man.

His boy takes a hit. We go to break. Come back and after about five to ten minutes he plays his first hand since break and I study his stack which looked more than healthy. Tried to figure out a pot he had won. Couldn't. At time I thought I had to be wrong. Yet, it lingered in my mind and then when I found about "The Master's" true nature a year or two later, I'm pretty sure something dirty happened.
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01-18-2014 , 12:25 PM
Tab just tweeted Day 3 seating assignments
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01-18-2014 , 12:26 PM
How the hell is it 1.5 hours until the restart and we don't have any official word on what's going on? Supper bad **** by borgata you have to keep customers in the loop on **** like this
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01-18-2014 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Wow if this is true it looks really bad for the Borgata that the floor took an obviously fake chip out of play, yet tournament kept on going.

In all honesty I wonder if the Borg will decide after this that massive field tournaments like this are not worth the effort. Total take on 4k entries is only $240k, chump change after you pay all the dealers/staff etc. Of course it helps draw traffic to the casino so they make money elsewhere... but they might either start capping fields at a smaller number, or just run the bigger-buyin events that get smaller fields.
This type of tourney are good for average player and popularity of the game. There are not many similier tourney around. Borgata knows that . I hope they come up with solution which satisfy all or most of the players.
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01-18-2014 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher
I mean technically it was like 1200, 1800, 1800 entries on days not counting guys with multiple bullets. 1500 players is only 150 tables you can't find 150 competent dealers for 10'hours. I know there's side events and stuff but that stuff doesn't start until the big ones are narrowing down players.

Running two day 1s on same day made them have to have 300 dealers that day essentially they should do separate days which means less dealers and more competent dealers.
Don't forget about cash games other tournaments. All running simultaneously. When any room has big turn out tournaments, it's extremely hard to put experienced dealers in the box, ML included. It's not a function of incompetency at the Borgata. It's a function of needing 5 times normal dealers at the same time. But, lets not derail the thread. There will be some news soon.
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01-18-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FRYTWO
Tab just tweeted Day 3 seating assignments


Thats for Event #3 not #1
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01-18-2014 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzach
Thats for Event #3 not #1
bahhh guess I misread it lol
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01-18-2014 , 12:34 PM
FREE T-SHIRTS THO
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01-18-2014 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Turb0Licious
FREE T-SHIRTS THO


Lol my buddy said he got one for registering for todays tournament.
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01-18-2014 , 12:39 PM
Hi folks -

I think it's important that Tab not focus on what happened during days 1 and 2 of the tournament in question, but instead focus on what WILL happen on day 3 of this tournament.

Regards, Lee Jones [1]

[1] Not really Lee Jones
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01-18-2014 , 12:42 PM
The super bowl of floor decisions
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01-18-2014 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by WildBillgcp
Years ago, think my first WSOP, played a mega and was out in the tent, guy at my table was one of Men's boys. The two were talking periodically. I didn't know about the shadiness of Men, just knew he spat out his beer at a final table when they used to televise like 10 WSOP final tables every year, thought he was a ~funny crotchety old man.

His boy takes a hit. We go to break. Come back and after about five to ten minutes he plays his first hand since break and I study his stack which looked more than healthy. Tried to figure out a pot he had won. Couldn't. At time I thought I had to be wrong. Yet, it lingered in my mind and then when I found about "The Master's" true nature a year or two later, I'm pretty sure something dirty happened.
Back in the heyday of the USPC at the Taj Men and his boys were caught passing chips in the bathroom off the poker room during a break. I recall people saying they ended up searching Men's hotel room and found large denomination Taj tournament chips in his room. Apparently this has been going on for years (this was early 2000s). Unbelievable nothing has been done about this. I'll be very surprised if Men and his crew aren't involved in this Borgata mess.
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01-18-2014 , 12:43 PM
I think one also hasto wonder why a place like the Borgata, who has several major tournament series a year, and one of the top poker rooms in the nation, wouldnt have some sort of contingency plan in place for any situation that could arise.
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01-18-2014 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by metdude3128
I think one also hasto wonder why a place like the Borgata, who has several major tournament series a year, and one of the top poker rooms in the nation, wouldnt have some sort of contingency plan in place for any situation that could arise.
This is a really difficult situation. It could happen anywhere. Cheaters usually cheat pretty good.
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01-18-2014 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by layemdown
I don't see anyway this plays out where the 27 (assuming none cheated) don't get paid or play it out. They'll be fine. Hopefully, Borgata comp't rooms and expenses.
Just meant playing a good game then being put in purgatory for basically 2 days not knowing what was going down sucks....
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01-18-2014 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by layemdown
This is a really difficult situation. It could happen anywhere. Cheaters usually cheat pretty good.


I think his point was... if said event happens shouldn't there be some type of outlined plan of action.
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01-18-2014 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Wow if this is true it looks really bad for the Borgata that the floor took an obviously fake chip out of play, yet tournament kept on going.

In all honesty I wonder if the Borg will decide after this that massive field tournaments like this are not worth the effort. Total take on 4k entries is only $240k, chump change after you pay all the dealers/staff etc. Of course it helps draw traffic to the casino so they make money elsewhere... but they might either start capping fields at a smaller number, or just run the bigger-buyin events that get smaller fields.

The temp dealers get $4.50/ hour and get sent home asap. They are a drop in bucket for 250k. Plus you're grossly underestimating the real reason they put on huge event. The poker room was totally full 70tableslast night, first time since 4th of july that I can remember. that's a lot of extra money,, plus extra pit, room, food. Plus they extra tables during week. They made plenty, especially compared to what they'd have on a normal January week.

And juice on any other sattilletes or extra tournys..this is ahuge event for them. Especially the poker staff who need to prove themselves as revenue generators.
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01-18-2014 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
This type of tourney are good for average player and popularity of the game. There are not many similier tourney around. Borgata knows that . I hope they come up with solution which satisfy all or most of the players.
They have a lot more at stake most likely wpt sponsorship tv time, I'd say next one might have half the players of this one because of this.
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